HARMAN TiTAN 10 x 8

[Simon R Galley]

Dear All,

A bit of an update. The 10 x 8 is born.....

http://www.ilfordphoto.com/pressroom/

Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :

 

[darkosaric]

Excellent and logical next step

Bravo!

 

[Ian Grant]

A positive step Simon, if sales are anything like as good as for the 5x4 version it'll be a huge success.

Ian

 

[Thomas Bertilsson]

Woo-Hoo! I will be purchasing an 8x10 pinhole camera next year without a doubt.

 

[Bob Carnie]

I will order one from Amplis ... btw that would be 8 x10 thank you very much.

Dear All,

A bit of an update. The 10 x 8 is born.....

http://www.ilfordphoto.com/pressroom/

Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :

 

[MDR]

Great news, thank you.

Dominik

 

[Bertil]

8x10 pin hole – Very Nice!
But I hope the next one will be a 5x7.
As far as I know, neither Kodak nor Fuji sell 5x7 sheet film, BUT Ilford does (as Foma and perhaps some others too), so why doesn't Harman make a 5x7 pinhole - after all a 5x7 contact print is a decent picture!
Hoping for the best!
(though just planning to build one myself)
/Bertil

 

[Simon R Galley]

Dear Bertil,

Could not agree more 5 x 7 contacts are nice....I think your idea to build one yourself is a good idea!

Cannot imagine we would ever make one.

Regards

Simon. ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :

 

[Bertil]

Dear Simon,
sad to hear, well as long as 5x7 film is available, it's ok for ME, but...

Never really understood why 4x5 and 8x10 is so popular when 5x7 is so nice!
Many 5x7 cameras not much bigger than a 4x5, but all 8x10 very clumsy in comparison.
Don't expect you to solve this lack of my understanding!

Regards
Bertil

 

[SkipA]

An 8x10 Titan will be a welcome tool to expand my pinhole options. Do you know who will be carrying the Titan cameras in the US, Simon? I'd bet that Freestyle will be one of them, as I know the carry the 4x5.

A 5x7 would be nice too, as Bertil said. I like that format, but there is not much film available.

 

[summicron1]

Dear Simon,
sad to hear, well as long as 5x7 film is available, it's ok for ME, but...

Never really understood why 4x5 and 8x10 is so popular when 5x7 is so nice!
Many 5x7 cameras not much bigger than a 4x5, but all 8x10 very clumsy in comparison.
Don't expect you to solve this lack of my understanding!

Regards
Bertil

4 by 5 was popular with press photographers in the 30s and 40s because it was small enough to carry a handfull of film holders in your pocket and run to the scene of a crime, or whatever. The 5-inch wide image also fit on a page easily. The huge user base that built up hung on.

8 by 10 gives you an amazing image, 5 by 7 being somewhat in between those two extremes, it was just the odd size and got bypassed especially now as things are tightening up and manufacturers are looking for what sells the best.

 

[MDR]

Count me to the 5x7 lovers. Beautiful format. 8x10 is not bad either but 5x7 is special.

 

[Simon R Galley]

Bertil

You are spot on 7 x 5 is a good size. of course 'whole plate' 8.5" x 6.5" was the 'go to' size

Kind Regards

Simon. ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited

 

[BradleyK]

Great news! I will be watching the stores here. Any idea as to expected date availability in Canada?

 

[250swb]

I really love the idea of an 8x10, come on hurry up Harman and Walker!

Steve

 

[TheToadMen]

I'm interested in 8x10" for making negatives for contact printing (can't be large enough) with alternate photographic procedures.
I was planning on ordering a 4x5" version but maybe I'll wait....

I already bought 2 boxes of Ilford Direct Positive Paper FB to use in the pinhole camera.
See: http://www.ilfordphoto.com/products/product.asp?n=65&t=Photographic+Papers
Has anyone of you used this paper already? What are your experiences with it?

BTW: there is a Pinhole Photography & Cameras group on LinkedIn: http://tinyurl.com/pinholegroup

 

[ChuckP]

110mm on 8x10 is a very wide angle camera. My pinhole is an 8x10 with a 3in FL and it's sort of a special look camera. One of the problems with a longer FL 8x10 wooden box camera is it gets to be big and heavy. This Ilford design with a light weight cone will make longer FLs easier to use in the field. Ever think of selling the body and cones in different combinations for people who want a different FL then the ones now packaged? I'd like to try something in the 6-7in range.

 

[Roger Cole]

Dear Simon,
sad to hear, well as long as 5x7 film is available, it's ok for ME, but...

Never really understood why 4x5 and 8x10 is so popular when 5x7 is so nice!
Many 5x7 cameras not much bigger than a 4x5, but all 8x10 very clumsy in comparison.
Don't expect you to solve this lack of my understanding!

Regards
Bertil

Pretty easy to understand why it's not more popular - while 5x7 contact prints can look very nice, they're smaller than most people want. 4x5 enlargers are common and nowadays often quite cheap (if you can find one locally or someone willing to ship, in which case the shipping is likely to be more than the cost, but still pretty reasonable.) 5x7 enlargers are far less common and usually more expensive. 8x10 is even harder to enlarger but big enough that many people are satisfied with contact prints.

5x7 is not more popular because it's perceived (rightly or wrongly) as being too big to easily enlarge while being too small to display contact prints. I toy from time to time with the idea of getting an 8x10 but not 5x7, for this very reason.

 

[John Koehrer]

Rather than make a dedicated 5X7 camera for a limited number of users. Why not an accessory 5X7 adapter back?

 

[Thomas Bertilsson]

Rather than make a dedicated 5X7 camera for a limited number of users. Why not an accessory 5X7 adapter back?

I was going to mention that. How about a 5x7 (and why not a 4x5 too!!) reducing back?

 

[darkosaric]

For pinhole - maybe it is not a big problem to make some kind of holder for 5x7 on 8x10 back by yourself? If it is couple of millimeters closer to hole - it is not a big deal for pinhole.

 

[Bruce Robbins]

The thing that held me back from getting or making a pinhole camera is the lack of sharpness. Most of the pinhole pics I've seen are just soft. I know that's part of the appeal but it's a level of softness that I think detracts from most images rather than enhances them. I'm not a Leica-type stickler for sharpness -I use a 1924 lens from a folding camera on my Rollei SL66 - but there surely has to be a minimum level of sharpness. Is a 10x8 pinhole camera likely to provide greater sharpness than smaller formats and, if so, what is it equivalent to? How would it compare to, say, a 400 ISO 35mm negative enlarged to 10x8?

 

[TheToadMen]

The thing that held me back from getting or making a pinhole camera is the lack of sharpness. (...) Is a 10x8 pinhole camera likely to provide greater sharpness than smaller formats and, if so, what is it equivalent to? How would it compare to, say, a 400 ISO 35mm negative enlarged to 10x8?

@Bruce: there is a nice review of the 4x5" Titan pinhole camera. See:
http://ueberlicht.com/2012/harman-titan-pinhole-camera-a-large-format-featherweight/
You'll find some images from the Titan 4x5" there so you can check it for (lack off) sharpness yourself
I think that some of these images are very sharp (for pinhole) and not too soft. I suppose the 8x10" will be able to create the same sharpness.

Greetings from Bert from Holland
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Pinhole Photography & Cameras on LinkedIn, see: http://tinyurl.com/pinholegroup

 

[Bruce Robbins]

Thanks, Bert. I enjoyed the review. Very useful.

 

[BradS]

Rather than make a dedicated 5X7 camera for a limited number of users. Why not an accessory 5X7 adapter back?

That would be the hot ticket.