Harman Technology plans for site redevelopment

Mike Crawford · Jun 4, 2014

Simon R Galley said:
And if you do get to Mobberley I will stand you a pint... don't forget our summer is cold but our beer is warm !

Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited.

Having been up to Mobberley a couple of times for meetings, can concur that Ilford are always the first to get a round in when it's pub time!

removed account4 · Jun 4, 2014

good luck with the redevelopment plans !
it is great to see ilford moving onward and upward
coming out with new products and improving existing product lines
this is good news !

pbromaghin · Jun 4, 2014

I just saw that the UK average home price hit 186,500 BP ($310,000). With 357 homesites, somebody's going to make a lot of money on this deal.

MattKing · Jun 4, 2014

pbromaghin said:
I just saw that the UK average home price hit 186,500 BP ($310,000). With 357 homesites, somebody's going to make a lot of money on this deal.

I sure wish homes were that cheap around here.

Here, that wouldn't even cover the land cost, at least until you are way out past the suburbs - think at least an hour commute to get into town.

Or, in other words, it is complex, and everything is relative.

pbromaghin · Jun 4, 2014

MattKing said:
I sure wish homes were that cheap around here.

You got me curious and I looked on homes.com. The cheapest home listing in Delta, BC is 389,000 CAD. In my town it's only 235,000 USD.

Holy Moly.

Bob Carnie · Jun 4, 2014

Should have said I would also like to meet some of the Legendary London printers, Mike Spry would be nice to meet.

Ian Grant · Jun 4, 2014

pbromaghin said:
I just saw that the UK average home price hit 186,500 BP ($310,000). With 357 homesites, somebody's going to make a lot of money on this deal.

I must have just bought an average UK home then +/- £500 But mine came with a 4mx4m stone & breeze block Summer house (actually it have been an electricians workshop) now lined with insulation and to be a decent sized darkroom.

What you get for £186,500 in the UK depends very heavily on the area. Mobberly which is near Knutsford is in a very affluent belt that stretches from the South West to the South East around Manchester, It's known as Footballers wives territory because so many leading football players live in the area, including (in the past) David Beckham who lived to the West at Aldderley Edge for a few years.

Manchester has two major football teams City and United, Liverpool is nearby and has Everton & as well as Liverpool FC itself, Burnley is to the north, Stoke City to the south, a large proportion of the current and former players live in that belt below Manchester, and it's a very sort after area, unlike the North East of Manchester. And then Manchester itself is one of the nicer British cities great shops, very friendly and vibrant. (Maybe I'm biased as my mothers family came from the area).

So I'd guess there would be no difficulty selling houses on the proposed development.

Ian

pentaxuser · Jun 4, 2014

Thanks for the clarification Simon. Clearly the forum respondent was speaking in complete ignorance or worse, cynically confusing Ilford Imaging in Switzerland with Ilford Photo in Mobberley

Clearly tours after the re-development will involve much less walking I am not saying that the current site "sprawls" a bit but one of us on the 2006 tour was lost and then found two years later by chance on the 2008 tour

pentaxuser

Xmas · Jun 4, 2014

Ian Grant said:
I must have just bought an average UK home then +/- £500 But mine came with a 4mx4m stone & breeze block Summer house (actually it have been an electricians workshop) now lined with insulation and to be a decent sized darkroom.

What you get for £186,500 in the UK depends very heavily on the area. Mobberly which is near Knutsford is in a very affluent belt that stretches from the South West to the South East around Manchester, It's known as Footballers wives territory because so many leading football players live in the area, including (in the past) David Beckham who lived to the West at Aldderley Edge for a few years.

Manchester has two major football teams City and United, Liverpool is nearby and has Everton & as well as Liverpool FC itself, Burnley is to the north, Stoke City to the south, a large proportion of the current and former players live in that belt below Manchester, and it's a very sort after area, unlike the North East of Manchester. And then Manchester itself is one of the nicer British cities great shops, very friendly and vibrant. (Maybe I'm biased as my mothers family came from the area).

So I'd guess there would be no difficulty selling houses on the proposed development.

Ian

Inside the London orbital motorway you would only get a girl's doll house for 200,000 GBP. The location controls the price.

Our transport systems are very expensive.

Ian is correct the Manchester people are friendly only a few real photo shops though, three...

Roger Cole · Jun 4, 2014

Location controls the price is true everywhere. There are plenty of big city places in the US with prices like that. OTOH they're shocking to me, accustomed as I am to the prices out here in the Atlanta suburbs and the even lower ones back in the country in TN where I grew up.

Ian Grant · Jun 4, 2014

Xmas said:
Inside the London orbital motorway you would only get a girl's doll house for 200,000 GBP. The location controls the price.

Our transport systems are very expensive.

Ian is correct the Manchester people are friendly only a few real photo shops though, three...

There is the Real camera Company though and Jem is a great guy.

Plus Thornton Pickard were in the mad hatter land of Altrincham, I have a lot of TP shutters. . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . and a few cameras/focal plane shutters. It shouldn't be forgotten that all Kodak film packs were subject to a Thornton Patent, as was some of Kodak's early colour film.

Ian

Xmas · Jun 4, 2014

Ian Grant said:
There is the Real camera Company though and Jem is a great guy.

Plus Thornton Pickard were in the mad hatter land of Altrincham, I have a lot of TP shutters. . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . and a few cameras/focal plane shutters. It shouldn't be forgotten that all Kodak film packs were subject to a Thornton Patent, as was some of Kodak's early colour film.

Ian

Hi Ian

Bought 'things' in Jem's, but as well there is a Leica dealer and a shop in the glass arcade next door, and a Jessops which last I don't count.

But I go there for the NQtr derelicts (factories) and 'street'.

Noel

RattyMouse · Jun 6, 2014

donkee said:
I did a while ago, you won't be sorry.

As did I. Ilford is the future of film photography.

RattyMouse · Jun 6, 2014

Prof_Pixel said:
It's difficult to financially justify building a new facility for a declining product.

Except Ilford's sales are increasing, not decreasing.

RattyMouse · Jun 6, 2014

Ken Nadvornick said:
Just as a quick aside, for those who recall my comments regarding the maintaining of a presence on APUG to serve as a deterrent to rampant unfounded speculation by the natives borne of fear of the unknown, this would be a prime example. We're all neurotic. Having a calming presence to occasionally tell us that is a good thing.

And conversely, not having one is a bad thing...

(Apologies for the intrusion, Simon.)

Ken

Spot on Ken. Were this news regarding Kodak or Fuji, lack of communication would have fueled all kinds of speculation. Ilford maintains their image like no other company. I'm buying a brick of Ilford film this weekend, just to celebrate their good future. I need to go out shooting more!

Simon R Galley · Jun 6, 2014

Dear Ratty,

Kind of a brick for a brick.....

Thank you for buying, using and valuing ILFORD Photo products.

Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :

ME Super · Jun 6, 2014

I shoot Ilford when it suits me - which means when I'm not shooting color reversal film or infrared. I really must try some Delta 3200 soon.

Thank you Simon for keeping an Ilford presence here on APUG. It is definitely appreciated!

Black Dog · Jun 6, 2014

Knuts about Ilford

ME Super said:
I shoot Ilford when it suits me - which means when I'm not shooting color reversal film or infrared. I really must try some Delta 3200 soon.

Thank you Simon for keeping an Ilford presence here on APUG. It is definitely appreciated!

D3200 is fantastic stuff, especially in 120!

Roger Cole · Jun 6, 2014

Black Dog said:
D3200 is fantastic stuff, especially in 120!

+1! You can shoot it at 800-1250 with absolutely normal looking results and grain more like historic classic Tri-X than anything else or get phenomenal-for-speed results up to 3200 (and probably 6400 but I haven't tried that.) It's a great film.

At the other end of the speed scale so is Pan F+...

Sent from my iPhone via Tapatalk using 100% recycled electrons. Because I care.

RattyMouse · Jun 6, 2014

Simon R Galley said:
Dear Ratty,

Kind of a brick for a brick.....

Thank you for buying, using and valuing ILFORD Photo products.

Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :

Exactly Simon. Well put!

Cheers!

Andrew O'Neill · Jun 7, 2014

You got me curious and I looked on homes.com. The cheapest home listing in Delta, BC is 389,000 CAD. In my town it's only 235,000 USD.

Delta is just down the road from me...

Average price for a house in Canada is $400,000 CDN
Average price for a house in Coquitlam is $700,000 (When I bought it in '97 it cost $289K), and just down the road
average price for a house in Greater Vancouver is $1.3 million.

StoneNYC · Jun 7, 2014

Andrew O'Neill said:
Delta is just down the road from me...

Average price for a house in Canada is $400,000 CDN
Average price for a house in Coquitlam is $700,000 (When I bought it in '97 it cost $289K), and just down the road
average price for a house in Greater Vancouver is $1.3 million.

So you're one of the few successful photographers lol

Roger Cole · Jun 7, 2014

I'm not going to say what I paid for this house or what it's worth now (a lot less than I paid in 2005) because all you rich folks would think you were slumming. But it's a good neighborhood. A friend who lived what we call here ITP (Inside The Perimeter - of I-285 that goes all around Atlanta) mentioned houses in their neighborhoods back when I was shopping. So I took a look at his house and thought "humm, older, no garage, smaller, but if the price is right..." then told him the range I was shopping and he commented there were some in the area in that range "this one was a bit more of course..." I took one look at those others in the neighborhood and thought, "ah, no thanks. I'll drive."

Sal Santamaura · Jun 7, 2014

Roger Cole said:
...all you rich folks...

Alleged current market value of homes purchased long ago doesn't necessarily mean their owners are "rich."

Photo Engineer · Jun 7, 2014

This is such a long thread that I have not kept up with it, but I have a point to make after skimming it.

You see, what Harman is doing is almost exactly what Kodak is doing, but in a slightly different direction. Kodak has changed Kodak Park into Kodak Industrial Park and they are renting out space to businesses and demolishing old and unused buildings to make room for new construction.

There is a striking parallel to these two companies actions, but with the direction of one being "consumer" and the other being "industrial".

And it seems to me that no one is getting rich on either plan. It is a method of staying "even" or just moving ahead with some degree of usable "profit".

PE

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