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Newbie time!

I just bought an 18% gray card after my brother suggested to add it to my arsenal of photo supplies. I was wondering what situations would it be favorable to use a gray card to meter instead of metering off of the actual subject? Thanks.
 

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Metering off a gray car that is in the same light as your subject is similar to using an incidence meter. They both give you a meter reading that isn't influenced by the reflectance of the subject. I don't frequently use a gray card so I can't really advise you on when you might use one over an incidence meter. They are good to compare reflectances of different objects to a known standard. That's how I use them.
 

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You can use a gray card in almost any situation you want when you photograph. I remember at college we were asked to photograph a gray card in the studio, to give us the following results: 18% gray, white and black, simply by adjusting the aperture. A "Zone System" exercise, if you like.

I don't use one often, preferring to shoot with my meter and then using the Zone System method to adjust my exposures.
However, if you used it in a snow scene for example (or anything that had a great deal of white or black for that matter), and took a reflected reading off the gray card, you should get nice detail in the white (not going murky gray) and some detail in the black ares (not going inky black).
As a meter is calibrated to give 18% gray (or there abouts) in the scene described above - either snow or a black area - using it by itself and *not* compensating would result in the scene recording as 18% gray for both the snow and the black area. (Just like the exercise we did in college.)

By taking the reading off the gray card (reflected) it will then places those "areas" in their correct position - white or black respectively. I use the Zone System instead with my lightmeter - same principle, I just need to open up or shut down the aperture to achieve the result I want.

These days I only use one now for colour balance when I shoot d****** for work, or for testing a new film to find its correct IE for my equipment and processing techniques.

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By taking the reading off the gray card (reflected) it will then places those "areas" in their correct position - white or black respectively.

Is that necessarily true? Film has a limited latitude. I can envision a scenario where you take a reading off a grey card, but the detail in the snow is so far (more than 4 stops) above that that you can't actually capture any detail of the snow.
 
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So I can use a gray card to meter a distant subject (like faraway mountains) and, barring any adjustments to my exposure, I'll get a somewhat 18% gray scene?

... and ic-racer, that is an interesting article. I will have to read up on this some more.
 

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So I can use a gray card to meter a distant subject (like faraway mountains) and, barring any adjustments to my exposure, I'll get a somewhat 18% gray scene?

... and ic-racer, that is an interesting article. I will have to read up on this some more.

Only if the light falling on the grey card is equivalent to the light falling on the farawy mountain.
 

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Is that necessarily true? Film has a limited latitude. I can envision a scenario where you take a reading off a grey card, but the detail in the snow is so far (more than 4 stops) above that that you can't actually capture any detail of the snow.

That is true, but even if you used your camera meter or lightmeter you would still need to adjust for the latitude of the colour film.

Perhaps my example was a little too extreme :surprised:, but I was trying to show that if you simply metered a snow scene using your camera meter, it would record as 18% gray, not the white you expected. Whereas metering off the gray card would get you a more realistic image and the snow would be "white" as compared to muddy gray.

18% gray will give you an average for the scene you are photographing. You need to be able to interpret what is important in that scene - if it's snow, you'll need to stop down further, if its detail in the blacks, you'll need to open up.

I always think of the gray card as a starting point that may need adjusting, depending on the film you are using and the desired result. It isn't a "magic fix" for metering, simply a tool that will help you along the way and get you in the ballpark. :smile:
 

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As L Gebhardt wrote, a grey card is a substitute for an incident light meter. It takes the peculiarities of the scene out of the equation, replacing them by a known and trustworthy value, leaving you with exact knowledge about the light you are metering.

Knowing what light you will be using does not relieve you of the task of considering the peculiarities of the scene. If, for instance, you want to get the maximum detail in white snow (or that other thing, the "black cat in a coalshed" scene), you will have to adjust the grey card-based reading accordingly.

Using an incident light meter is easier then metering off a grey card, but if you don'y have one ... :wink:


By the way: could we please, please avoid using the words "Zone System" when all we are talking about is exposure?
 
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By the way: could we please, please avoid using the words "Zone System" when all we are talking about is exposure?

Mmm, well, yes. But remember, a Grey Card equates to Zone V / middle grey or 18% grey ...No escaping simple facts and it is worth the mention.
 
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The angle of the gray card plays an important roll in determining the exposure. Play with it some and you will see how much it can change. The angle should be perpendicular to the subject and facing the direction of the camera. If this is done correctly, once you meter the card, open up 1/2 stop. While the Zone System considers the 18% gray card to be Zone V, it's not the mid-point. Technically, the meter reads luminance, but if you force the issue, you can consider the average statistical reflectance to be 12% which is 1/2 stop darker than 18% gray. If you've bought a Kodak card, this is included in the instructions.
 

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Is that necessarily true? Film has a limited latitude. I can envision a scenario where you take a reading off a grey card, but the detail in the snow is so far (more than 4 stops) above that that you can't actually capture any detail of the snow.

It is really true that, assuming perfect calibration with your meter, the grey card would end up middle grey, and that the luminance range of the objects in the composition would fall around middle grey. As you reasoned, if the edges of this range land outside of your desired range, they become too dense or thin to make a rendition that perfectly matches what you want (when the grey card is printed to middle grey on the base paper; grade 2 or filter 2-1/2, for instance).

So, the grey card/incident meter basically does one main thing: it tells you how to render a grey card as middle grey, and therefore get everything roughly into place tonewise. It cannot always match the luminance range of the scene to the desired black to white range on the print. This is where an eye for contrast in the composition, or a spot meter, can help you. The way you expose and develop will let you control the contrast of the scene. If you know that a scene will end up too contrasty if shot on your film, you overexpose the film to give it more density across the board. Then you underdevelop it in order to maintain this density in the shadows, while bringing the highlights back to where they would have been if the shot had not been overexposed. You can do the opposite to increase contrast by making the shadows thinner, while pushing the midtones and highlights back to where they would have been if they had not been underexposed. You can also overexpose-overdevelop, or overexpose-normal develop to increase the contrast between the darker tones, while either pushing highlights farther, or keeping them more in check, respectively.

So, in a scene that has an easily printable luminance range (when your scene has a 10 EV split between what you want maximum black to what you want paper white), you are fine going what the meter/gray card say, developing normally, and printing on your normal grade or filter. You would be fairly easily printable if you were a step low in contrast or a step high in contrast. You would be printable, though challenging, if you had to go up or down two filter grades. You would be printable as a last resort if you had to go up or down three paper grades.

I think of it like this. There are three basic scenarios when metering ambient light in a composition:

1. What you want to be maximum black and paper white in the composition are about 10 EVs apart when measured at the scene. The darkest and lightest areas in which you want to see texture are about 6 EVs apart. The darkest areas in which you want to detail are 4 EVs apart. This is a "normal" luminance range for your paper to match.

2. What you want to be maximum black and paper white in the composition are greater than 10 EVs apart when measured at the scene. The darkest and lightest areas in which you want to see texture are greater than 6 EVs apart. The darkest areas in which you want to see detail are greater than 4 EVs apart. This is a higher than normal luminance range for your paper to match.

3. What you want to be maximum black and paper white in the composition are fewer than 10 EVs apart when measured at the scene. The darkest and lightest areas in which you want to see texture are fewer than 6 EVs apart. The darkest areas in which you want to see detail are fewer than 4 EVs apart. This is a lower than normal luminance range for your paper to match.

...and then think of it like this: Knowing through judgment, or metering, how close to situation one you are is what you need to be thinking about when using that grey card (or incident meter). Once you know this, then:

1. In situation one above, expose as the meter recommends from the grey card reading and develop as normal.

2. In situation two above, overexpose the grey card by as many stops as the luminance range is above the desired print range, then develop for less time than normal (until your highlights land where they would have been if you had exposed and developed for situation one).

3. In situation three above, underexpose the grey card by as many stops as the luminance range is below the desired print range, then develop for more time than normal (until your highlights land where they would have been if you had exposed and developed for situation one).

If you do that, your negatives will land much closer to the contrast filter (or grade) paper you would use in situation one.

All of this works best only when you have determined a working EI and normal development. Exact pluses and minuses would help a lot, but can also be guessed at fairly well as long as you have a normal time.

In other words, it is just a slightly different approach to classic zone system theory (or vice versa). The grey card/incident way, you always meter how to make middle grey middle grey, and use luminance range as the factor that decides exposure and development. The classic zone system way, you place a low tone to make a metered shadow tone look how you want it to look, then you place a metered highlight where you want it via development. In the classic zone system method, the thought process behind it is that one is swinging the characteristic curve up or down from its toe, like a whip. In the grey card/luminance range method, your thought process is that you are seesawing the curve around middle grey. Pick whichever one of these two basic though processes makes more sense for you while working in "the field" (or neither, or both, or variations that work for you).

(Personally, I prefer the classic zone system thought process when I can develop exposures individually, such as with sheet film, or when I have interchangeable magazines, each of which is marked with different development instructions. I prefer the grey card/incident thought process when shooting shots that cannot be developed individually. With hand held shots, I will generally estimate an average luminance range for the lighting in which the roll was shot. With tripod shots, I usually measure the luminance range with a spot meter.)
 
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Not too bad of an article. Ansel was way off in his interpretation of the K factor. The K factor is a light loss factor which factors in the influence of the camera lens, camera body, and spectral sensitivity of the meter's photo cell. According to the 1971 version of the ANSI standard for exposure meters, Allen G. Stimson (who also wrote the paper from which the standard is derived. He actually has reproduce parts of the paper, word for word, in the appendix of the standard), recommends a constant form of K which he designates as Ko. This would be the K factor which tends not to change. It factors in all the variables that tend to remain constant. Withheld are two variables that tend to change which are the spectral response of the photo cell and the lens transmittance.

From this we can conclude that the differences in the K factor for different meters is mostly based on the spectral response of the photo cell. This also is the probable reason in most cases to explain how two different meters will produce two different readings when pointed at the same subject.


Connelly, D, Calibration Levels of Films and Exposure Devices, Journal of Photographic Science, Vol 16, 1968.

Nelson, C.N., Safety Factors in Camera Exposures, Photographic Science and Engineering, vol. 4, no. 1, Jan-Feb 1960.

Stimson, Allen, An Interpretation of Current Exposure Meter Technology, Photographic Science and Engineering, Vol. 6, No. 1, Jan-Feb 1962.
 
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I sometimes use the two 'slightly lighter than mid grey cards' which I carry around with me all the time. Also known as the palms of my hands.

You meter off the palm of your hand then increase the exposure by one stop.

My Weston Master III meter even has a setting for this on the dial.


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It is true there are a lot of valid substitutes for a grey card, taking the palm or back of your hand as one example. On occasion I've used pink granite, fronds of rainforest fern, wet rocks or the grey sole of my show as substitutes.

A small aside, but a valid one: On the point of "...opening up 1/2 stop" in a previous post, if the OP has intentions of using reversal film I'd recommend looking at 0.3 stops for better precision. In many cases 0.5 is too much either way (but note that the same can be said for e.g. 0.6 as opposed to 0.5!). There is much to be said of some cameras offering a choice of 0.5 or 0.3 as both step variations have their uses, particularly with "Vaudeville" Velvia 50. Others may disagree but I do actively use 0.5 and 0.3 stops, even with the Sekonic
 

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Mmm, well, yes. But remember, a Grey Card equates to Zone V / middle grey or 18% grey ...No escaping simple facts and it is worth the mention.
It is not.

Unless you start doing the Zone System, there is absolutely no point in mentioning the thing.
And we're not. We're just discussing exposure.
That's a simple fact as well. :wink:
 

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Here's a problem:

Mmm, well, yes. But remember, a Grey Card equates to Zone V / middle grey or 18% grey ...No escaping simple facts and it is worth the mention.

OK, so often we hear, "Meter off a 'grey' card.":smile:

But, therein lies a problem.

The same grey card will give you different tonalities (reflectances) depending on how it is oriented to the existing main light source. That is, depending on how it is held, it may result in a "zone" 3,4,5,6,7, even a zone 8 reading: it can be a shadow or a mirror.:sad:

So, how do you hold the grey card so it results in the "right" reading?:confused:

Personally, I believe the grey card is not as useful as a "keytone" reading taken from an item (skin, grass, bitumen, stone) in the frame.
 

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Kodak gray card instructions will tell you to angle the card so as to point one third of the way between your camera and the main light source. The gray card should be in the same light as your subject. You have to perform a pretty serious departure from the above to get a 5 stop variation in readings...
If you trust a reading taken from an item in the scene such as grass, why would you not trust a gray card? The gray card must be used properly but it is at least a known quantity.
 

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Kodak gray card instructions will tell you to angle the card so as to point one third of the way between your camera and the main light source. The gray card should be in the same light as your subject.

OK, thanks!:smile:
 

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I was taught at Kodak to use a stepped chart as a single gray card was not informative enough. We always used a MacBeth color checker to meter all colors and a complete step wedge. A gray card is like using one point to solve a problem. Not enough data!

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I was taught at Kodak to use a stepped chart as a single gray card was not informative enough. We always used a MacBeth color checker to meter all colors and a complete step wedge. A gray card is like using one point to solve a problem. Not enough data!
Well ...
Only if you are looking to do more than the thing is good for.
To take the varying and unknown reflective properties of whatever happens to be in front of your reflected light meter out of the equation, it provides all you need.


The fact, by the way, that the amount it reflects changes with its orientation is not a problem. It would be a problem if it did not.
It is no more than a 'reflection' of the fact that light falling on your subject changes with its orientation too.
So it's rather good that it does! (And that with no more advanced technology than a coloured bit of cardboard. No batteries. Imagine that ... :wink: ) Dare i suggest that if that causes confusion in our heads, it's because we don't really understand how light 'works' on subjects that are not flat?
 
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I'm gaining a better understanding and appreciation of gray cards, thanks to your input (which is a lot more detailed than some of the stuff I've read in beginning photography books) Thanks very much!

I think it's time for some good old fashioned experimenting. In my photo class we didn't make test exposures on very dark and very light subjects, so this weekend I'm going to try stuff out. Do some metering both with and without the gray card just to see how the negatives come out. In the long run I think it will teach me more about my camera's TTL meter.
 
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Just ran across this: http://dpanswers.com/tech_kfactor.html which appears to cover a lot of the metering arguments that often come up and attempts to provide some explanations.

Lee

More good stuff, but some of it is incorrect. Hannemyr is simply wrong on his interpretation of K. The author wonders where 12% comes from. This is where with the meter calibration equation. You can also calculate it with the exposure equation. In fact, you can come at it in a variety of directions and it all comes out the same.

The ISO calibration for reflective meters equation is:

A^2/T = B*S/K

Where
A= aperture
T= shutter speed
B = luminance (297 Footlamberts)
S = film speed
K = constant factor (1.16)

For incident meters:

A^2/T = I*S/C

I = Incident light (7681 footcandles)
C = Constant (30)


(B*S/K) * pi = I*S/C

K (in footcandles) /C = average scene reflectance

1.16*pi / 30 = 0.121 or 12%

or

297*pi / 7681 = 0.121 or 12%
 
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