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I did a high-res scan of this image from a 3.5 x 5 negative from my grandfather's Kodak 3A folding Brownie, which I still have, along with a cigar box of his negatives. He's the guy in the bowler and my mother is the infant in the carriage on the left, holding her mother's hand.
Take in or near Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, in the fall of 1911.

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I took the jpeg file to a local print shop and they did up a great four-foot-wide print that now hangs in my living room, with hardly any grain showing.
I can't help but think most of today's digital photography will not be around in 100 years, and I'm glad my grandfather had the foresight to keep his negatives and give them to me.
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I love when things like this happen. It is great.

It is ironical in the way we are headed to, specially the general public. We have the capability to take more shots and much more easily, but they have become so ubiquitous that most will be lost eventually. And how even it's very easy to take a snap, a lot of things go undocumented and later on people realise the value of that. It is common for someone to pass away and not have many photographs of them.

This makes me want to do some more (environmental) portraiture with my Fuji 6x9!
 

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Very nice. I wonder why there's no visible grain in a shot that old?
 

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Very nice. I wonder why there's no visible grain in a shot that old?

The film was very slow by today's standards, probably around ISO 8-10, orthochromatic emulsions, and definitely was developed to totality. The combination produced amazing prints. I don' t remember worrying about grain until film speeds began to climb above Weston 50, at which time I switched from D-76 to DK-20 fine grain developer . My few remaining negatives from before WWII display these same qualities.
 

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i suspect the film was probably higher speed that asa 10, more like 50 or so, but the biggest reason is that this is a 5 inch long negative, nearly 4 inches wide, large format by anyone's measure, so a huge enlargement would not show much grain.

In the museum I work at we LOVE it when folks bring in old stashes of negatives like these, and we're daily mourn in the knowledge that there are folks out there tossing grandma's negatives because "aw, nobody cares about those."

We do. They are history preserved in a format that is still easily recoverable. Museums around the world are terrified at what the digital world will leave in its wake, and the Smithsonian has a project underway to figure out a solution.

Did you know storage of digital movies -- the hollywood blockbusters -- costs tens of thousands of dollars a year, each -- while storage of film costs hundreds?

Film just sits on a shelf. Digital has to be tended, upgraded and migrated as software and media change.
 

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Wonderful image, Jay! I always enjoy looking at these slices of history. Thanks for posting!
 

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Another reason to shot film, especially reversal film - the film itself is the finished picture and the only equipment needed to view it is a light bulb, lens, and your eyes (lens optional if large enough format). For negatives, is still easy enough to get a scan and print, or print optically.
 

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Yes, great family photo, and great that you have it. I have my Grandmother's negatives which start from about 1900 and continue on to about 1960. I treasure these more than any other. My Brother printed a bunch a few years ago and they were amazingly good - not quite like yours though.
Not sure what film speed was then, but I remember Verichrome Pan at asa 32, and Kodachrome at asa 10.
 

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..............In the museum I work at we LOVE it when folks bring in old stashes of negatives like these, and we're daily mourn in the knowledge that there are folks out there tossing grandma's negatives because "aw, nobody cares about those."

We do. They are history preserved in a format that is still easily recoverable. Museums around the world are terrified at what the digital world will leave in its wake, and the Smithsonian has a project underway to figure out a solution.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Not disagreeing however, I wonder why they don't go public about this? Certainly the Smithsonian could get on 60minutes or something, maybe they did & I missed it.
 
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Well, la-de-da! A very upscale family indeed. The lady's coat on the right looks like seal. A beautiful image.

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Thanks for comments and compliments, everyone.
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That's granddad's camera.

And here's another one of his shots, from a Fourth of July a long time ago:

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(Many of his negatives he marked with a black pen so it would show up white when printed.)
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i suspect the film was probably higher speed that asa 10, more like 50 or so, but the biggest reason is that this is a 5 inch long negative, nearly 4 inches wide, large format by anyone's measure, so a huge enlargement would not show much grain.

In the museum I work at we LOVE it when folks bring in old stashes of negatives like these, and we're daily mourn in the knowledge that there are folks out there tossing grandma's negatives because "aw, nobody cares about those."

We do. They are history preserved in a format that is still easily recoverable. Museums around the world are terrified at what the digital world will leave in its wake, and the Smithsonian has a project underway to figure out a solution.

Did you know storage of digital movies -- the hollywood blockbusters -- costs tens of thousands of dollars a year, each -- while storage of film costs hundreds?

Film just sits on a shelf. Digital has to be tended, upgraded and migrated as software and media change.

Tell it, Brothers and Sisters!

I am a retired Librarian, with almost 40 years in the field. As a Photographer I began in my very early teens. I still have slides and negatives from back then, in the mid to late 1950s and beyond. I also have negatives and slides my Father shot in the mid 1930s on iuntil his death in 2001. ALL these negatives and slides are still viewable, could be scanned into digital, massaged, and printed. I also have several hundred vinyl LPs, going back to the late 1940s, the beginning of the Vinyl Era. These can be played, scratches and all.

Now. NONE of these analogue products have received any special storage. Room temperature, room humidity. Some in the attic, for heaven's sake. (not the vinyl!) How many CD recordings will survive for half a century or more? My understanding is that if the index information on a CD is damaged the disc is essentially unplayable. A vinyl record with a scratch doesn't lose the entire recording, and the scratch may perhaps be "erased" with considerable difficulty.

Those who store their digital images on whatever medium, or in the cloud, are gambling that they will be recoverable in the future. How much data is now stored on, let us say, 8 inch floppy discs? Seen a drive for such lately? And of course a hard drive WILL fail at some time. Dense storage via hard drives, etc, has its own risks. My understanding is that a high density magnetic medium needs to be "refreshed" periodically, since the closely spaced domains may "self erase" their neighbors unless re-written periodically. I welcome further comment on this, since it is out of my expertise. I use a RAID I array, plus drives in a drawer, a regular backup routine, plus BackBlaze cloud, for my digital images. Scanned in analogue images are easily accesible via Lightroom. How many of our relatives have any sort of strategy for their family pictures? Not many, I'll wager. And it must be said that cloud storage it seems relies on the long term life of the storage company.

As far as I know we don't have any reliable predictions of the life span of CDs or DVDs which would suggest that we should entrust our family heritages to these storage media. Perhaps digital pictures should be printed to whatever medium suggest some degree of permanence so there would be at least some record.

I also have many prints, silver of course, some going back almost 100 years. I need to scan these in, not for preservation, but to query far-flung family members for identification of the folks pictured thereon. The proverbial shoe box filled with prints and negatives is in danger of extinction, not intentionally, but through neglect and ignorance. Granny didn't know how well she planned ahead!

Some years ago my Father told me a sad tale. He'd come home from college in the mid 1930s to discover that his mother had done some housecleaning. She'd tossed out many negatives she'd taken as a young girl in Michigan. These might have been glass plates. How many irreplaceable family images were thus lost? How many current pictures of children, grandchildren, are now lost or endangered not by action, but by inaction?

Sorry for the rant. But what other group than analogue photographers can appreciate the problem, and perhaps do something?
 

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My digital images are stored on my PC. My wife's are stored on her PC, and the kids' are on theirs. They all back up to a 2TB USB drive hooked to a small sub-$100 server that functions as a Network Accessible Storage (NAS) drive. When I think of it, I back up the NAS to another drive that is normally stored in a drawer in my desk.

No cloud storage or off-site at this time. Too much data, IMHO, for cloud storage, that I'd have to pay for on a monthly or annual basis. Off-site would be easier, but I'd have to get at least one more drive for that, and store it somewhere else.

Film images are lab-scanned, and are their own backup. They're also what I use in ye olde slide projector, which is the best way to view 35mm slides anyway!
 

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Not disagreeing however, I wonder why they don't go public about this? Certainly the Smithsonian could get on 60minutes or something, maybe they did & I missed it.

Sadly, I have seen MANY public stories along these lines without much concern by the vast majority of people. Speed and convenience are all that seem to matter these days. Motion picture preservation seems to get the most coverage, individual family history preservation doesn't get as much coverage it seems to me.
 
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If you the spools (or the means to make new ones), Have a word with Ilford next year when they do their ULF run.

I'd love to do that. I have one spool, but that's what 3D printers are for, right?
Years ago I looked into large format aerial camera roll film, but I suppose that has disappeared too.
On the bigger issue of saving our photographic memories, someone should make a digital-to-analog printer to place the images on a recoverable medium.
Then there's that old story about the discovery of a greenhouse in Washington that was glazed with 8x10 glass plate negatives from the Civil War period that would have been lost to history had not someone noticed. Don't know if it's true, but it's a nice story.
 

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I just heard that some Home Depot stores have 3D printers available for use, so if you could design the spool and get it to a Home Depot store, they can print it for you. You know, just in case you don't have a 3D printer of your own.

3D printing may be the way to get slide mounts for 126 slides or superslides too, since those don't seem to be in production any longer.
 
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