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I not sure what makes a Yashica such a lesser camera. Yeah, it
NONE!
If you have your heart set on a TLR add the extra money and go for a Rollieflex or Mamiyaflex. The Yashica 124G was their best and still has soft optics, the 635 worse.


That would be a good advice, except OP wants to get his feet wet on tlr so I think he is better off with the Yashica. Probably wil be able to sell it later with not much of a loss so, if he find pleasure with tlr, he can upgrade to either a Mamiya or Rolleiflex.

Probably that's what I would do if I started again.

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It's interesting for all the suggestions to "hold off" until something better comes along.
The OP is in Korea, not New York. Does anyone actually know what the market is near Yongsan?

Start with the Yashica, The others don't seem to have the same common experience
 
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It's interesting for all the suggestions to "hold off" until something better comes along.
The OP is in Korea, not New York. Does anyone actually know what the market is near Yongsan?

Start with the Yashica, The others don't seem to have the same common experience
+1 Totally agree.
 

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We really aren't in a position to advise on the market in Korea, so we can't help with the price or any questions about local availability of service, parts or accessories.
But lots of people here have posted positive opinions of the Yashica.
If it is in decent shape, it should be an excellent entry to the world of medium format TLRs - a world I have happily spent time in since the 1970s.
 

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If you are looking for a TLR, and you are at Yongsan, you will probably find using a TLR in the street surrounding will be great fun. Look at what @TheFlyingCamera has done with a TLR in the streets of Washington, DC.

Lots of people do have opinion about the Yashica. In a forum as diverse in experience as APUG, it is possible that someone who read this thread may actually know what a ALFAFLEX or MuDan are, that could help answer from experience on the suitability of those models.

I hope someone will be able to shed light on the cameras that no one seems to have heard of. Meanwhile, can the OP provide more information such as the labeling on the lenses on these other cameras?

It is good, though, to have opinions on alternatives - it does provide more information for the OP to consider - who should do with this knowledge as fits the objective. AND - all of these threads are usually useful to many more readers than just the OP; who should not assume they "own" this publicly posted question, but participates in a a greater conversation - at least that is how i look at all of these threads. So, the OP of any thread should have that approach and understanding.

On the outskirts of Seoul, in the environs of Yongsan is a fun shopping district along a many blocks strip - Itaewan. Walking up the hill from the Crown Hotel towards Yongsan Air Base, starts that road. Personally , the only places i could find to eat at that my palate could tolerate, were the cafeteria on Yongsong for breakfast, and the Pakastani restaurant up the hill from that shopping street. The curries there were terrific. Nothing else there to me was edible, including the Wendys, McDs and any chinese takeaway. Lunch for me was always in the DMZ, which i chose to carry in each day - fruits mostly just to hold me until i could get back to Itaewan. About the only option available to me where i was in the DMZ was kimchi soup...

I would say take advice of @Cholentpot to make the deal if you are shopping in Iteawan. Unless looking at or handling any of them seem a bit off to you. All those vendors want to do is make a deal so make them an offer. But, you know this already. And, if you have opportunity to look for other sellers of cameras who have TLR, branch out some if in reach. Must be more in the whole Seoul complex. And, you probably already know they want dollars more than won, at least that used to be true, so if still true make the offer in dollars. The Yashica, though, is a clear known quantity. I have been playing with a Yashica-D along the boardwalk in Asbury Park for a couple weeks now and thoroughly enjoyed it. Nice to handle.

As i walked down the main street, every vendor would come flying out to the front of the store from the back of the store screaming - hey, joe, i sell you two price one. My reply was "i already got won, i got won." I would have 6 leather fighter pilot jackets now if i had responded to every vendor!

>michael
 

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If you are looking for a TLR, and you are at Yongsan, you will probably find using a TLR in the street surrounding will be great fun. Look at what @TheFlyingCamera has done with a TLR in the streets of Washington, DC.

Lots of people do have opinion about the Yashica. In a forum as diverse in experience as APUG, it is possible that someone who read this thread may actually know what a ALFAFLEX or MuDan are, that could help answer from experience on the suitability of those models.

I hope someone will be able to shed light on the cameras that no one seems to have heard of. Meanwhile, can the OP provide more information such as the labeling on the lenses on these other cameras?

It is good, though, to have opinions on alternatives - it does provide more information for the OP to consider - who should do with this knowledge as fits the objective. AND - all of these threads are usually useful to many more readers than just the OP; who should not assume they "own" this publicly posted question, but participates in a a greater conversation - at least that is how i look at all of these threads. So, the OP of any thread should have that approach and understanding.

On the outskirts of Seoul, in the environs of Yongsan is a fun shopping district along a many blocks strip - Itaewan. Walking up the hill from the Crown Hotel towards Yongsan Air Base, starts that road. Personally , the only places i could find to eat at that my palate could tolerate, were the cafeteria on Yongsong for breakfast, and the Pakastani restaurant up the hill from that shopping street. The curries there were terrific. Nothing else there to me was edible, including the Wendys, McDs and any chinese takeaway. Lunch for me was always in the DMZ, which i chose to carry in each day - fruits mostly just to hold me until i could get back to Itaewan. About the only option available to me where i was in the DMZ was kimchi soup...

I would say take advice of @Cholentpot to make the deal if you are shopping in Iteawan. Unless looking at or handling any of them seem a bit off to you. All those vendors want to do is make a deal so make them an offer. But, you know this already. And, if you have opportunity to look for other sellers of cameras who have TLR, branch out some if in reach. Must be more in the whole Seoul complex. And, you probably already know they want dollars more than won, at least that used to be true, so if still true make the offer in dollars. The Yashica, though, is a clear known quantity. I have been playing with a Yashica-D along the boardwalk in Asbury Park for a couple weeks now and thoroughly enjoyed it. Nice to handle.

As i walked down the main street, every vendor would come flying out to the front of the store from the back of the store screaming - hey, joe, i sell you two price one. My reply was "i already got won, i got won." I would have 6 leather fighter pilot jackets now if i had responded to every vendor!

>michael

You gotta work the shuk in the Mideast. Or as Monty Python says 'aggle!

Funny enough I brought my TLR to DC a few years back and got some great photos.
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So I do know of many other sellers of TLRs in Seoul, however, they ask exorbitant rates. A yashica 635 runs easily 150-300 in mediocre condition. I'm focusing on these 3 examples, simply because they all function, are in decent enough condition, and are affordable. All at a flea market near dongdaemun. Can't find that in chungmuro or Namdaemun.
 

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I really want to do portraits. Besides that these days, I do mostly street photography. The idea of a TLR for me is more of a side dish. Nothing too serious, just mostly for a little taste of the other side. Maybe down the road I'll end up with a rollei, but for now I am pretty much deciding between these 3. Budget for the camera is 75-100 USD thoughly. The guy wants 100k won for each. Could probably talk him down to 75k.
Yashica, my first 120 camera as a kid. It took great pictures, simple and very light weight. Check out the taking lens make sure no haze or fungus. Mamiya C330 are cool, but heavy, and if you can get by with standard lens Yashica will work fine. Rollies are beautiful if they are in nice shape, but then they are expensive. Get the Yashica and a simple tripod, decent incident light meter and you are un business.
 

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+3!

$20 Lubitel 166 1980 Moscow Olympics edition. Looks new, works great!

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Another score for the Trusty Ruski! Mine even came with a little yellow filter in a side compartment that I only discovered a few years after I bought it.
 

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I did some further research, unfortunately most of the film camera web pages are gone now. I've used just about every brand TLR at one time or another. They all look good because of the negative size until you look close. According to this link the Yashnon 80mm f3.5 is no so bad being the best at wide open and f16 and it's the Mamiya TLR optics that look worse.
http://www.hevanet.com/cperez/MF_testing.html Rollieflex with a Planar lens comes out on top. I'm sorry I sold mine. It blew my Yashica away in terms of contrast and sharpness.
 

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If you have an itch for spending money on one of the three, get the Yashica. It is a wonderful camera and it can use 135 film. Else, get a Lubitel. It does wonders and it costs a mere nothing:


Of old doors again...


Yeap! That triplet lens is pretty sharp. It is a bit of pain focusing it, but you will get used to it in no time.
 

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I think the Yashica is a great starting point - I started with an Autocord, then with many different flavours of Yashicas, and finally bought a Rollei a couple years ago. The Rolleiflex is way overhyped (unless you go for one of the more recent/better lens models, maybe) - you can definitely get some great photos with lesser cameras, everything depends on the condition of the camera/lens. The Yashica is a cheap way to find out if you do indeed like shooting with a TLR - if you do you can always upgrade later, if you don't, you haven't wasted too much money, and in all likelihood, can recoup your costs later.

Which Rolleiflex are you saying is overhyped? They made Rolleiflex models from the 1920s to the 2000s. Other TLRs are perfectly good cameras, as you've already observed. But there's just something about a Rollei in use that makes it a wonderful camera not just to take photos with, but just as a user experience. They do cost a mint to service, but kept properly serviced they are one of the best picture-taking machines ever devised.
 

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A vote for the Yashica. Should it need repairs you can probably find someone to do them. The other two??? Who knows! The Yashikor is a three element lens, adequate if stopped down a bit. The Yashinon is a Tessar type, four elements, quite sharp! Karen Nakamura of Photoethnology has a user's perspective. http://photoethnography.com/ClassicCameras/Yashicamat124.html
I have the Yashicamat she cites, it is excellent.
 

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If you have an itch for spending money on one of the three, get the Yashica. It is a wonderful camera and it can use 135 film. Else, get a Lubitel. It does wonders and it costs a mere nothing:


Of old doors again...


Yeap! That triplet lens is pretty sharp. It is a bit of pain focusing it, but you will get used to it in no time.

More Lubi Love!

It took me a few rolls to learn that focusing is done only in that tiny circle in the middle.
 

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If the price is right... get the yashicamat 635. Its a wonderful camera and takes great pix.

Your main concern is fungus in the lens and the shutter works.
The mirror and focusing screen are easily cleaned DIY projects.
 

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If you have an itch for spending money on one of the three, get the Yashica. It is a wonderful camera and it can use 135 film. Else, get a Lubitel. It does wonders and it costs a mere nothing:


Of old doors again...


Yeap! That triplet lens is pretty sharp. It is a bit of pain focusing it, but you will get used to it in no time.

Very nice picture (Lubi or not)!
 

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The Rolleiflex is way overhyped (unless you go for one of the more recent/better lens models, maybe)

Hmm. My old $400 3.5 MX-EVS is much better made and finished than my $2000+ 2.8GX. The GX has an easier to focus screen and spot meter but that is the only advantage. The pics look the same.
 

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NONE!
If you have your heart set on a TLR add the extra money and go for a Rollieflex or Mamiyaflex. The Yashica 124G was their best and still has soft optics, the 635 worse.
I dunno for the 635, but I owned a 124, a 124G and still have a Rolleiflex. By no ways can I make the difference between the 3 if I have no notes about the shooting. I kept the Rollei because it was the one in the best "shape", but could do with either of the 3.
 

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Hmm. My old $400 3.5 MX-EVS is much better made and finished than my $2000+ 2.8GX. The GX has an easier to focus screen and spot meter but that is the only advantage. The pics look the same.

That's why I added the "maybe". :wink:
 
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