Glass plates available!

Ole · Jul 13, 2004

I've just received an email from the wonderful folks at Dead Link Removed informing me of their plans to market glass plate negative film.

They will be expensive, and they need a "small number of customers who are prepared to place advance orders (don't have to pay in advance) so I don't have the money sitting on the shelf when the product gets here."

The price they're looking at is:
13x18cm 6 per box £55.32
5x4" 25 per box £149.00
9x12cm 6 per box £40.00

Expensive, yes. But might well be worth it for that extra bit of "authenticity"! Besides, all concerns about film flatness will be a thing of the past

They have been very easy to deal with in the past, and their POP paper is wonderful!

My contact there is nigel@retrophotographic.com .

cjarvis · Jul 13, 2004

Not that I can afford it, but is the emulsion orthographic or panchromatic?

Robert Kennedy · Jul 13, 2004

Good questions. I want that ortho look you get on the old plates.

Then again, I am willing to buy ALL their 4x5 plates that have been improperly coated...cheap...

BTW - Ole, you are a GREAT resource.

fingel · Jul 13, 2004

Hey Robert,
If all you want is that Ortho look, just buy some 4x5 Ilford Ortho Plus. Most people use it for enlarged negs, but I've shot the 8x10 version in camera when I was learning how to process 8x10 film (you can do it with the safelight on) it has a rather nice tonality.

Ole · Jul 13, 2004

cjarvis said:
Not that I can afford it, but is the emulsion orthographic or panchromatic?

Frankly I do not know! The maker makes several emulsions, stated to be "izooptochromatical, izochromatical, panchromatical,
izopanchromatical" as well as several with other characteristics.

Which emulsion will eventually be chosen is not up to me...

Robert Kennedy · Jul 13, 2004

Well, if it ain't "supercallifragiortho", I ain't buying it....

Graeme Hird · Jul 13, 2004

Robert,

If orthochromatic glass plates are your flavour, why not try coating some plates with Liquid Light? I think it has an ISO rating of around 6.

Cheers,

Robert Kennedy · Jul 13, 2004

Uhhh....see previous post.

Coating the plates ain't the problem....getting 2mm glass IS the problem...

Graeme Hird · Jul 13, 2004

Sorry Robert. I didn't realise that was the problem (can't see a reference to it in a previous post - at least not in this thread ...).

mobtown_4x5 · Jul 13, 2004

hey gang-

just curious, would glass plates have any noticable difference/improvement vs film?

Matt

Jorge · Jul 13, 2004

To me they seem sharper......but not 100% more sharp...I am sticking with my $1 per neg film...

Foto Ludens · Jul 13, 2004

just a guess, but film flatness would not be an issue. Plates cracking would, however. I suppose it might just be for the sake of using that old camera that has been lying around... I dunno.
EDIT:

Ok, Jorge beat me to it. take his word over mine.

Emile de Leon · Jul 13, 2004

Hmmmm..I've got and old 5x8 camera with 6 holders that takes glass plates....

bmac · Jul 14, 2004

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Donald Miller · Jul 14, 2004

I think that it may be worth mentioning at this point that a consideration I would entertain is the T distance of the plate holder as compared to the T distance of the camera. All of the flatness in the world won't amount to much if the point of focus/exposure disagree.

Robert Kennedy · Jul 14, 2004

I have asked about 1.16th, but maybe if I try a bit harder I can get a result. Jorge has informed me that Mexico, which is only an hour away, uses 2mm as their standard just like the UK and Canada. So I may be heading down there.

Ummm...anyone know the Spanish word for 'glazier'?

As far as I know, the T-distance is pretty much the same. Plates were used until pretty recently. You can even buy a film/plate holder for the old Mamiyaflex and Rolleis. Plus, many people still work in this method.

Ironically all I want is the LOOK of the glass plate. That old orthochromatic look with a LONG exposure time that slightly softens the subject.

I am wondering....If I took some old, unexposed SHEET film, processed it, and THEN coated it with Liquid Light, would that work? I know some people use Liquid Light on unexposed, but developed, PAPER. In theory I'm thinking it should work.

lee · Jul 14, 2004

Robert,
I don't know the word for glazier but glass is "cristal". You might try to use that.

lee\c

removed account4 · Jul 14, 2004

robert -

why don't you just expose paper instead of glass?
you won't really be able to make enlargements too well with it, but you can make good contact prints, and if you bees-wax it ( fiber paper), you will less of an exposure time when making the prints.

the main difference you will see if you are shooting paper rather than liquid light'ed sheets of glass is the imperfections in the glass, imperfections in your coating process, and the layer of texture and depth glass offers if you make enlarged prints from them. liquid light is a silver bromide emulsion and paper might not necessarily be silver bromide, but they are ortho, and about asa 6.

Robert Kennedy · Jul 14, 2004

See, I will be enlarging it. Mylar sounds good. Never thought of that. I might get some tonight.

removed account4 · Jul 14, 2004

robert

with mylar, put a nice layer of binding agent ( gelatine ) as you would with glass. otherwise, the emulsion won't have anything to anchor onto, and it'll slide down the drain once it is wet/swollen and you are processing it.

if your enlarger is bright enough, you might be able to coat waxed paper and get a good image as well

fingel · Jul 14, 2004

I still think if all you want is an old time ortho look, why hassle with coating mylar or unexposed sheet film with liquid light when you can buy it already made for you. Here is a shot made on Ilford Ortho Plus. I rated it at ASA 25, and souped it in D-76 1:1 under a red safelight. A box of 4x5 (25 sheets) is $16.50 from B&H. To me it is more economical in time and money to just buy the film. That's my 2 cents.

glbeas · Jul 14, 2004

Kodak professional copy film is Ortho Also. Only thing I don't like about it is its pretty grainy for an EI25 film. How is the Ilford for grain?

Robert Kennedy · Jul 14, 2004

Well, this is mainly for portraiture, and I WANT that old look.

Which is why 25 is WAAAAY too fast for me. I need an ASA of 1/2 or 1.

Why? If you notice on a lot of old portraits, the features are very soft. Some of this is the lens, but a lot of it is from the exposure times. I've seen work done with nice, clean modern Rodenstocks on plates that is very soft. Mainly because the model is holding for 1 or 2 seconds. Which gives just enough blur to really make it interesting. Plus the DOF is pretty shallow since you are almost always wide open.

Now, I COULD do this with Ilford Ortho, but I am not inclined to carry around that many ND filters.

bobfowler · Jul 14, 2004

Ole said:
The price they're looking at is:
13x18cm 6 per box £55.32
5x4" 25 per box £149.00
9x12cm 6 per box £40.00

Is that all? They're giving them away...

sarcasm modeff

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