Geotagging for analogue cameras.

wilwahabri · Apr 1, 2021

Dan Fromm said:
Well, then, why can't you go digital?

I have digital cameras. I have analogue cameras and I use most of them. I want the simplicity of geolocation for use with my analogue cameras too

grat · Apr 1, 2021

CCLA said:
hi grat,

I was having a look at the “film shots” and it says on the website that you can record a frame by tapping on the Lock Screen. I cannot figure out how to do that. Have you figured it out?

You have to have an "Active" roll / holder defined. Then it should show on the lock screen.

Andrew O'Neill · Apr 1, 2021

I find a pen and notebook handy.

grat · Apr 1, 2021

Andrew O'Neill said:
I find a pen and notebook handy.

I don't disagree. But it's harder to add GPS coordinates and a reference image-- which is kind of helpful when you're still a bit of a novice at this.

Dan Fromm · Apr 1, 2021

grat said:
I don't disagree. But it's harder to add GPS coordinates and a reference image-- which is kind of helpful when you're still a bit of a novice at this.

Hardly. I got my first GPS at the end of 1995, first used it seriously on a field trip to Paraguay in '96. Taking notes isn't difficult. Neither is saving a waypoint in the GPS.

grat · Apr 1, 2021

Dan Fromm said:
Hardly. I got my first GPS at the end of 1995, first used it seriously on a field trip to Paraguay in '96. Taking notes isn't difficult. Neither is saving a waypoint in the GPS.

Yes. You can scribble in a notebook, you can tag the location in a GPS, you can take a polaroid of the scene. ALL these things are indeed doable, and do not require an app.

Or you can tap the front of your smartphone 3 times and be done with it.

Bronson Dugnutt · Apr 1, 2021

There may be enough flexibility in the old Canon MA data backs to encode a latitude/longitude onto the film with some sort of hash, but pen & paper notes or an adjunct digital/cellphone snapshot seems easier.

http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/canon/fdresources/shared/databackma/index.htm

CCLA · Apr 1, 2021

grat said:
You have to have an "Active" roll / holder defined. Then it should show on the lock screen.

I did create an active roll, but still cannot add a frame. I tried tapping, double tapping, and triple tapping on a dark screen and on a lighted Lock Screen and nothing happens (both with the app running and not running).
And I do not get anything on my Lock Screen to indicate that I can click to add the frame, I am just tapping on the screen.

grat · Apr 1, 2021

Do you have notifications disabled on your lockscreen? You might need to track down your lockscreen / notification permissions and grant FilmShots permission to display notifications.

Dan Fromm · Apr 1, 2021

grat said:
Or you can tap the front of your smartphone 3 times and be done with it.

Funny, without connectivity my current and previous smartphones didn't know where they were. And I do much, not all, of my fieldwork where my phone can't find signal. Contrary to popular belief and hopes, much of the world is poorly or un-connected.

Mainecoonmaniac · Apr 1, 2021

When I travel with my film camera, it's a problem for me to remember where I took the shot. I have a geo logger that records my GPS location on a specific date and time. If I sync the time and date correctly with a digital camera, it's not an issue. Film doesn't record the date and time unless there's a device that prints in on the film. There's an Iphone metering app that allows recording the exposure and geolocation. I think there's a way to put it in Evernote.

reddesert · Apr 1, 2021

Dan Fromm said:
Funny, without connectivity my current and previous smartphones didn't know where they were. And I do much, not all, of my fieldwork where my phone can't find signal. Contrary to popular belief and hopes, much of the world is poorly or un-connected.

Everybody should use the workflow they are most comfortable with; there's no reason for you to use a phone data logger if you don't want to. That said, on many smartphones the GPS works without any cell service. Often it seems less accurate than a dedicated GPS unit, but only at a modest error level, like tens-of-feet.

grat · Apr 1, 2021

Dan Fromm said:
Funny, without connectivity my current and previous smartphones didn't know where they were. And I do much, not all, of my fieldwork where my phone can't find signal. Contrary to popular belief and hopes, much of the world is poorly or un-connected.

Well, that's what you get for doing all your fieldwork underground where you can't receive a GPS signal. Either you can use a standalone GPS to record your location, or you cant-- if you can, then you can use a smartphone that has GPS (and most of them do), to record the same information. The OP is in Germany, and has internet access-- it's a safe bet they have better broadband and cellphone connectivity than we do.

But I really feel like you're making arguments for the sake of making arguments, rather than discussing options for geotagging photos.

CCLA · Apr 1, 2021

grat said:
Do you have notifications disabled on your lockscreen? You might need to track down your lockscreen / notification permissions and grant FilmShots permission to display notifications.

I am sorry but I am about to give up on this app. The app is installed. However when I go to notifications, it is not listed as an app.
It is listed below in the settings (not under notifications) so the app is “seen” by the phone.
And another thing, if you want me to pay for an app, how about a manual?

claudio

grat · Apr 2, 2021

It's not my app, and it's donate ware-- if you like it, give him a donation. No ads. Rare these days.

Sorry it's not working out for you. His website is http://leaf500.com/

wilwahabri · Apr 4, 2021

OK an update. I think I have found a reasonable way to do this. using GPS Tracker (any GPS with waypoint adding facility and GPX output will do) Enter a waypoint each time a photo is taken. Enter the frame number and if desired note the exposure details. Using GPSBabel, extract the waypoint information to a Universal CSV file. open this in excel and copy / paste the date and time field of each photo to match the waypoint it was taken at. Additionally copy / paste the textual info on exposure etc also in the CSV file. Using Geotagger or something similar merge the GPX file with the photos - it will match the positional information to the times recorded for each photo.

Simplest way i have come up with yet.

VinceInMT · Apr 4, 2021

Interesting conversation. As I am scanning all the film I've shot since 1973, I wish there was a way to figure out the GPS coordinates on some of this stuff. I look at a series of images and say "I shot that? Where the heck was I?" It could be age creeping in too.

millardmt · Apr 14, 2021

MattKing said:
IIRC, there were some data backs for film cameras that would allow you to put sequential numbers on to the film.
So you might be able to design something that would synch those numbers with a separate geotag.

Correct. The Nikon F2 Data came with several erasable data inserts upon which you could write lots of information -- if your handwriting is small enough. Then the photographer could push the insert into the Nikon "MF-10" data back and all the writing on it would be shrunk and optically imprinted inside a small rectangular area within the frame.
https://cameraquest.com/nf2data.htm

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