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I think it was the second North American distributor which dropped the ball, Bob. Their warehouse practices were awful - stock not rotated, damaged boxes, stock outages, general incompetence. Of course, one might blame Ilford too for not taking the complaints seriously enough. The actual manufacture was Swiss all along, same as back under the Ciba-Geigy label; none of that was their fault - the problem was at the marketing and distribution end under Ilford - the "brown shoe"guys.
 
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Well all I'll say is...

There was a time when I thought slide film was dead, but then came Ektachrome. There was a time when I thought new scanners were extremely unlikely, but we have multiple lab grade scanners hitting the marketing in the next year. There was a time when I thought processing equipment would be relying solely on old stock that we maintain, but now we have Colenta among a few others. Nobody was supposed to be willing to do the R&D to make new color negative film, but now we have Lucky and Harman going for it. There was a time when new film cameras were a fantasy, but I have a new Pentax 17, Rollei 35AF sitting on my desk. Lomo seems to be making a very attractive new P&S with manual override now. The list goes on... Who would have said we could still buy new 8x10 instant film materials in 2025 from a company that technically isn't even really Polaroid?

Maybe 'Cibachrome' in the way it existed back then is dead, but I'm guessing someone could formulate a new direct positive color material. It would be sad to not have that incredible glossy look and permanence of course. But I'm not a chemist, maybe someone can figure it out.
 

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No we don't have Lucky or Harman doing much of anything significant, color-wise. Kodak already has a viable selection of high quality color neg films in multiple formats, not just 35mm; and Ektachrome was basically in sleeper mode for a little awhile; the present E100 is just a tiny bit different from what they last offered in terms of E100G. So basically all the R&D was already on hand.

Cibachrome was based on the Gaspar dye destruction method going clear back to the mid 1930's. Yeah, someone could possibly DIY replicate something like that, but not at commercial scale in anything resembling the look of Cibachrome itself. You'd have revive every aspect of that, and then hope to make enough of it and sell if off fast enough before it goes bad - which happens rather fast. Just how many tens of millions of dollars do you intend to invest giving this a jump start? And how many people want to go back to high-output "nuke" color enlargers with high utility bills, or high volumes of sulfuric acid needing special processors and plumbing, and probably industrial hazmat permits too? Laser printing setups aren't affordabe to amateurs either.

Subtract the special look and the permanence quality of Cibachrome, and what's the point at all? Might as well learn how to simulate the old R-print method on current RA4 paper, like certain others are experimenting with. If you want to resurrect the old Gaspar method and try to improve that, more power to you; but you'll have darn little to go on. One or two people might have made slight inroads on it.

Kodak developed their own direct-positive wannabee competitor product to Ciba, but never marketed it; and it wasn't a full-gloss look. The odds of accessing those R&D files, let alone reproducing the dyes and coatings involved, is probably close to zero. And sadly, Ron Mowrey (PE) is no longer with us, who did have some inside knowledge of that.
 
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