Further questions on how to use CPP3

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Fatih Ayoglu

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Following my previous questions;

Jobo 2502 reels with wash-aid, stabiliser etc

Following my previous questions, they also advise to take the film out of reels and dunk into a stabiliser/washaid solution separately. Now this concerns me as a wet film is easier to get damaged and scratched.

Is there a chance consensus what to do?

What rotary speed do we use?

While CPP3 has programs installed, they all have 75rpm rotary speed. Is this good or should I lower it?

Thank you so much!
 

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The recommendation is only for wetting agent (photoflo/Ilfotol/Stabilizor/Final rinse, not for wash aid (hypo clear). I always remove the film from the reels and dunk it in the final step separately. I haven't had any issues with scratches.
 
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The recommendation is only for wetting agent (photoflo/Ilfotol/Stabilizor/Final rinse, not for wash aid (hypo clear). I always remove the film from the reels and dunk it in the final step separately. I haven't had any issues with scratches.

Yes I meant Ilfotol and Stabiliser, so we undo the reels, let the film drop gently into the final wash solution.

I wonder why Jobo recommends against that normal way.
 

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The caution against allowing final rinse solutions to come into contact with tanks and reels is, while technically sound, probably irrelevant for at-home, hobbyist users. In a pro-lab setting where there are multiple developing runs a day with potentially rushed/inadequate cleaning of equipment between runs, it's not hard to imagine how residues might eventually accumulate and lead to problems. But for someone using their equipment for only a few runs a month, there shouldn't be any problem doing a final rinse on the reel and in the tank provided he or she washes their equipment in warm water immediately after use.

The primary component in final rinse is surfactant, which is water-soluble and washes off easily. It only becomes a problem if you allow it to dry on the equipment, at which point it can (over many uses) turn into a gummy residue (a good analogy for this is liquid detergent that dries out and accumulates in the dispensing bin of a dishwasher or washing machine). Just rinse it off after each use and you'll be fine. Another good practice is to periodically (e.g., every couple months) wash and scrub tanks, bottles, and reels in a solution of washing soda (sodium carbonate) and warm water. At least, this has been my approach for many years and I've never encountered a problem.

I think a lot of the "no final rinse on reels or in tanks" advice is generated by people who have difficulty loading roll film onto plastic reels, which admittedly can be a frustrating problem. Final rinse residue seems to get frequently blamed for this problem when the likelier culprit is simply unclipped corners at the leading edge of the film getting caught on the various nibs in the reel. (Clipping your film with a corner cutter for paper crafting will eliminate this problem.)

With Jobo tanks and reels, I add enough final rinse to the tank to submerge the film when the tank is on its side, similar to when it's in the processor, and gently rotate it by hand for the requisite amount of time, being sure to reverse direction every 15 or so seconds. The alternate way -- in which you attempt to safely transfer a discombobulated handful of wet roll film from a reel into a container (bowl?) that's specifically designated for final rinse -- always struck me as a bit faffy, but people apparently manage to do it. Wet film is in a pretty delicate state, though, so it's best to limit the amount of time it spends in your hands. For that reason, I've always done the final rinse in the tank. YMMV.
 
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Thank you all,

So as long as I clean the reels well, then it should not be a problem. I mean I can dunk them in hot water like 60C and brush them with a tooth brush. Also a soluion with alcohol might soften any residue.
 

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Thank you all,

So as long as I clean the reels well, then it should not be a problem. I mean I can dunk them in hot water like 60C and brush them with a tooth brush. Also a soluion with alcohol might soften any residue.

If you're using plastic reels, I'd be mindful of the water temp. I wouldn't think 60C is too hot, but...
 

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FWIW, the process of pulling the film out of the reel and slowly lowering the gently curling fresh developed film into the wide mouthed graduate of working strength Photoflo - with associated tantalizing glimpses of the newly developed negatives - is so satisfying, that I wouldn't want to stop doing it.
It is easy to do - even with two or three rolls of freshly developed film - and it makes it much easier to clean up at the end. You also get the benefit of being sure that Photoflo gets to the entire film - the reels can't get in the way.
I've never had a problem with scratches.
 
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If you're using plastic reels, I'd be mindful of the water temp. I wouldn't think 60C is too hot, but...

Ok I can try somewhere around 40-50 degree mark, that’s pretty much our tap
FWIW, the process of pulling the film out of the reel and slowly lowering the gently curling fresh developed film into the wide mouthed graduate of working strength Photoflo - with associated tantalizing glimpses of the newly developed negatives - is so satisfying, that I wouldn't want to stop doing it.
It is easy to do - even with two or three rolls of freshly developed film - and it makes it much easier to clean up at the end. You also get the benefit of being sure that Photoflo gets to the entire film - the reels can't get in the way.
I've never had a problem with scratches.

I thought you can pull the film out of the reel, as in Paterson reels. I thought the only way was to twist the reel to open.
 

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Trust (analog/film) photographers with making things horribly complicated without any need for doing so.

The final rinse thing is a non-issue. The Rotary speed is just fine.

Go process some film.
 
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Trust (analog/film) photographers with making things horribly complicated without any need for doing so.

The final rinse thing is a non-issue. The Rotary speed is just fine.

Go process some film.

I don’t know if it is the beauty of this or not, you ask a question and there is literally no standard answer 🤣🤣🤣
 

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I thought you can pull the film out of the reel, as in Paterson reels. I thought the only way was to twist the reel to open.

Either way works - as long as the film has been loaded into the reels past the ball bearings.
I'm always going to be rinsing the reels afterwards anyways, so I usually turn them to the side, twist them, and then pull the top half off.
 

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I don’t know if it is the beauty of this or not, you ask a question and there is literally no standard answer 🤣🤣🤣

That's the thing! Mind you, it can still be useful as well as fun to take stock of the different viewpoints out there and use the for inspiration. Just don't get stuck in "analysis paralysis".
 
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