Fujifilm still available, only the 3-pack boxes being removed from the Japanese Market.

[ic-racer]

Insignificant news, unlikely to affect anyone.

https://petapixel.com/2020/02/07/fu...and-superia-3-packs-due-to-decline-in-demand/

 

[pentaxuser]

Yes people are apparently buying more film just not in 3 packs. Seems strange to me. If the demand for film especially C41 colour neg film is rising is this solely because all the buyers are new to film and in fact so new that each of them wants to buy only one film at a time - just in case it isn't for them. Existing buyers it would seem are not buying more film and in fact if Fuji is correct about lack of demand for 3 packs then whereas once there was a demand for 3 packs from the then existing film diehards even those diehards are now only buying singles?

If a Fuji film shop was on the corner of a street in most towns then buying one film at a time could make sense in the same way you can buy one carton of milk at a time as it is easy to get and costs nothing extra to get it( there are zillions of places to buy milk) but my understanding is that shops within most film users' easy reach have largely disappeared so there is a cost in terms of money and time if you order one film at a time.

I have difficulty reconciling all of the above with Fuji's claim of lack of demand. It looks as of at least one German and one Slovenian on Photrio are having the same difficulty but, yes, three of us are not many.

Wasn't it Fuji who claimed lack of demand caused it to cease production of Acros? Can we be sure that Fuji have reached the right conclusion or are giving us the right reasons?

I get more confused the more I am told

pentaxuser

 

[MattKing]

Folks, this is limited to the market in Japan and relates only to one particular mode of packaging.
If Costco announced that the 30 roll packages of toilet paper were declining in sales and they were discontinuing that packaging in favour of 12 roll and 60 roll packages, would we be saying that the sales of toilet paper were concerning?!!!

 

[miha]

Folks, this is limited to the market in Japan and relates only to one particular mode of packaging.
If Costco announced that the 30 roll packages of toilet paper were declining in sales and they were discontinuing that packaging in favour of 12 roll and 60 roll packages, would we be saying that the sales of toilet paper were concerning?!!!

Maybe, but Fujifilm was clear: ‘decline in demand’.

 

[Deleted member 88956]

Maybe, but Fujifilm was clear: ‘decline in demand’.

But sounds like demand for multipacks

 

[pentaxuser]

I wonder what it is about the Japanese market and consumers that makes them lower their demand for 3 packs to the point where it no longer makes sense to offer them? I suppose that they might see a 3 pack as too small and simply jump from singles to 5s or 10s whereas the rest of the world's markets are happy with 3 packs but it returns me to my first sentence

pentaxuser

 

[ic-racer]

But sounds like demand for multipacks

For all we know from the news clip, Japanese consumers might want it packaged in boxes of five.

 

[lantau]

Premium is a more expensive offering with less contrast than the normal Superia 400. Maybe the masses prefer cheaper film with more contrast.

I bought one roll in Hong Kong. Haven't used it, yet. Wondering what would be a good use for it. Maybe a summer festival. Or a busy pedestrian zone in summer??

 

[ic-racer]

Since inviting non-film users to the APUG site, more and more film-bashing threads show up.

 

[Sal Santamaura]

Since inviting non-film users to the APUG site, more and more film-bashing threads show up.

First, "the APUG site" no longer exists. This is PHOTRIO. Second, there have been Fujifilm/Ilford/Kodak haters posting since this site used to be APUG. Diversity has done nothing to increase their attacks.

 

[AgX]

Second, there have been Fujifilm/Ilford/Kodak haters posting since this site used to be APUG. Diversity has done nothing to increase their attacks.

I see a difference between "Fujifilm/Ilford/Kodak haters" and members starting "film-bashing threads" .

 

[pentaxuser]

There may be a trend to "bash" a particular film if the user has a problem with it that has little or nothing to do with the quality of the film. We may be attracting a generation of newcomers to film who may be of the mindset of blaming the film first but these it would seem are film's future consumers and vital to film's revival However I imagine most of us hate film makers' actions that affect our pockets and/or seem to have no reason,. Then we want to ask "why" questions

I think a distinction has to be made

pentaxuser

 

[Sal Santamaura]

I see a difference between "Fujifilm/Ilford/Kodak haters" and members starting "film-bashing threads" .

I don't, likely because I don't come across the latter type of thread, only the former.

 

[faberryman]

Since inviting non-film users to the APUG site, more and more film-bashing threads show up.

I don't see to many film bashing threads. Most of the bashing done here is against digital, which is to be expected.

 

[Arcadia4]

Also discussed in this thread...

https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/no-more-3-packs-from-fujifilm.173010/

 

[AgX]

I reported this thread minutes after posting as redundant due to that first thread, but moderators likely see this thread as a different approach.

 

[BradS]

I reported this thread minutes after posting as redundant due to that first thread, but moderators likely see this thread as a different approach.

Indeed. The title of this thread is a bit less inflammatory...more honest.

 

[BradS]

Maybe, but Fujifilm was clear: ‘decline in demand’.

For two specialty emulsions, in the domestic market. So what?
I do not think that we can infer very much at all from from this action.
It certainly does not imply a global decrease in demand for film generally.

 

[miha]

For two specialty emulsions, in the domestic market. So what?

Ok, so what.

I do not think that we can infer very much at all from from this action.
It certainly does not imply a global decrease in demand for film generally.

I'm not that certain but hope you are right.

 

[Agulliver]

I don't think I have ever seen a "film bashing" thread here in either the APUG days or as Photrio. I have seen people bashing Fuji or Kodak (delete as appropriate) any time said companies make a commercial decision that is unpopular and Foma bashed for perceived QC issues that most people feel were solved a decade ago. The nearest I've seen to "film bashing" is posts from members who have grown up learning digital and who don't understand some of the techniques used in film photography....eg I recall having to explain how it is actually possible to photograph high speed sports on film.

Regarding Fuji three-packs...I haven't seen one in the UK for years but I can still get Kodak Ultramax in three packs.

 

[perkeleellinen]

Premium is a more expensive offering with less contrast than the normal Superia 400. Maybe the masses prefer cheaper film with more contrast.

I bought one roll in Hong Kong. Haven't used it, yet. Wondering what would be a good use for it. Maybe a summer festival. Or a busy pedestrian zone in summer??

I like Premium a lot; I think it has good skin tones and is really good with red colours. I think of it like a more refined Superia 400 or maybe a more punchy Reala. It shines in the sun.

 

[faberryman]

For two specialty emulsions, in the domestic market. So what?
I do not think that we can infer very much at all from from this action.
It certainly does not imply a global decrease in demand for film generally.

ASA 100 and ASA 400 negative films are specialty emulsions?

 

[BradS]

ASA 100 and ASA 400 negative films are specialty emulsions?

illogical.
are you suggesting/do you believe that no ASA100 or ASA400 color print film could possibly be a specialty item?

Specialty as in not mainstream, not hugely relevant to the ordinary retail consumer in most of the first world..

 

[jim10219]

I think most people buy film online these days. Three packs are kind of a brick and mortar store thing.

 

[AgX]

Exactly. And with a move of film sales to the net such decision may make sense from a Fuji perspective.