Fujifilm HR-T30 Xray - sharp or not?

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So in my quest to be a total tightarse, I'm looking at getting some Xray film in 8x10 to try out and practise (and also do things like verify light-tightness), before I drop the big cash on Delta100/FP4/HP5 (which is probably where I'll stop, colour in 4x5 is bad enough, I doubt I'll ever afford it in 8x10).

Anyway, as part of my research into what film to buy, I came across the Fujifilm datasheet on their HR-T30, which includes an MTF curve:


The numbers certainly don't look promising, the graph only goes up to 5 LP/mm. Compare that to Velvia, you're getting 50% at 50 cycles (which is lines or line-pairs? Either way, it's way better):


So I know comparing X-ray film to Velvia is rather unfair, and development method will have an effect (I plan Rodinal stand). But still, getting not much more than 50% at 1LP/mm isn't my definition of sharp. Certainly useful for pinhole no doubt, but is it anywhere near useful for regular-lenses?
Or do I have something totally wrong?
 

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I don't worry about the numbers. This is a pinhole shot on 8x10 green latitude x-ray film.

 

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OK, Jon. Beautiful image. Now, inquiring minds want to know the details. What film? What developer? Exposure and developing times?
 

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The numbers certainly don't look promising, the graph only goes up to 5 LP/mm. Compare that to Velvia...

First look at what you are comparing.

The HR-T30 curve shows the MTF for X-ray exposure under medical circumstances.
The Velvia curve shows the MTF for light exposure.


This again proves the limited usefulness of data sheets.
 

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Dr Croubie, just use it and don't sweat the graphs. At 30 cents a sheet, it's perfect.
 

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Fuji HR-S 8x10
80 ISO
Xtol 1:1, 6 minutes @ 68 degrees
Jobo tank, with continuous gentle agitation
 
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Fuji HR-S 8x10
80 ISO
Xtol 1:1, 6 minutes @ 68 degrees
Jobo tank, with continuous gentle agitation

Very nice, that's the kind of thing I want to see. Even on a scan I can see it's sharp enough for me (I'll probably end up doing some 1:1 headshots just like this, my 465mm Apo-Ronar is my best lens for 8x10 until I can splurge again)

Coincidentally, my GP told me this morning to go have some medical imaging done next week. While I'm there I might see if they've got a box of film they could sell me...
 

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Good luck Dr Croubie. If a doctor told me he wanted to have "medical imaging" done next week, I'd die of a heart attack or stroke from worry as to why he would want that done, by the end of that week.
 
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Ha, no, nothing serious, just an ultrasound for a minor thing. Hopefully they've still got film xrays around, or if they've upgraded to digital they might even have some film for free...
 

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Ha, no, nothing serious, just an ultrasound for a minor thing. Hopefully they've still got film xrays around, or if they've upgraded to digital they might even have some film for free...


Good. "a minor thing". I hope so. I already know I'm going to die of cancer. I don't go to doctors other than the urologist for prostatitis (not cancer). He's just my Cipro connection. Why would I want to go to a doctor and be told what I could have told him, when the time comes? I don't wanna know. It won't change anything. GL.
 

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Ha, no, nothing serious, just an ultrasound for a minor thing. Hopefully they've still got film xrays around, or if they've upgraded to digital they might even have some film for free...

my wife and son have been getting 'loverly' 16x20's of their knees recently... I look at them and see a large camera to hold such pieces of film... the doctor probably looks at whats wrong!
 

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Sorry for the depraved comedy. That fellow lightwisps kicked off. He had a sick prostate that wasn't cancer, as I recall. Frightening. Regards, HTF
 

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I don't really care much about that, it is a great print, what paper, grade, etc.
Also if only giving info about the negative a scan of the negative would be nice.
 
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I'm using Fuji HRT green sensitive film and it's not as sharp as most convention film. I don't particularly care since I contact print the negs anyway. My bigger concern are scratches when I process it. I shoot it at ASA 400 souped in Xtol. I Also bought a batch of Fuji RX blue sensitive X-ray film and it's nice stuff also. Looks good at ASA 100 processed in Xtol also. Both I process under inspection under a safelight.
 

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I don't really care much about that, it is a great print, what paper, grade, etc.
Also if only giving info about the negative a scan of the negative would be nice.

I'm glad that you liked the image!

Well, I scanned the negative into my computer, adjusted levels and contrast, and printed it on my Epson 3880 at 16x20 inches on Epson Ultra Premium Photo Paper Luster. So, I guess you could say that I use a hybrid method of photography. The print was matted and framed, and sits in the South Carolina Artisans Center, in Walterboro, South Carolina.

The negative scan was displayed in post #2 of this thread. I didn't think I needed to duplicate it in post #8, since that post was a quoted reply for information from another.
 
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