Fujifilm discontinuations announced: 120 Velvia 100F, B&W Art Emulsion

[Ken Nadvornick]

I'm almost 75 I'm old enough to know, not in my lifetime.

So you don't think there's a fair chance of them significantly improving their slide films in the next 25 years?



Ken

 

[Roger Cole]

You don't remember Kodak High Speed Ektachrome ?

I do. It was pretty bad by the standards of today (well, the standards of pre-discontinuation of Provia 400X) but was pretty good by the standards of the day and was better than any Fuji slide film I ever saw then, which was none. I'm not sure if they may have made slide film then but if they did I never saw it.

 

[Roger Cole]

I trust my eyes over a scanner when determining the quality of slide films.

I agree with you but...it depends on how you intend to view the final image. If that's to be a print, in today's world that means scanning. I project slides and the E100G ones look great. So do the Fuji ones of course, but I prefer the slightly lower saturation and apparently (whatever the specs say) lower contrast of E100G over Provia 100F for most subjects in most light. Overcast or other flat lighting might favor the Provia, but both look really good.

 

[benjiboy]

So you don't think there's a fair chance of them significantly improving their slide films in the next 25 years?



Ken

I probably won't live to be 101 Ken, it will just bloody seem like it , but if the Italians are as good at making slide films as they are at soldiering, definitely not in my lifetime.

 

[Roger Cole]

But emulsion making is more akin to brewing - suppose they turn out to be as good at making slide film as they are at making wine?

 

[Dr Croubie]

But emulsion making is more akin to brewing - suppose they turn out to be as good at making slide film as they are at making wine?

I can't tell if this is a good thing or not, ever tried Spumanti?

 

[Roger Cole]

I've has some excellent Italian wines, as good or better than French. I'm sure Ferrania can turn out a good slide film. Let's be sure they have a market.


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[erikg]

But Ferrania may very well at some point in the not too distant future be producing slide films that ALL exceed the candle power of anything Fuji (or Kodak) is producing...


Ken

Will that be true because Fuji and Kodak will not be producing anything in terms of slide film? Sure seems that way.

 

[Ken Nadvornick]

Will that be true because Fuji and Kodak will not be producing anything in terms of slide film? Sure seems that way.

 

[Ken Nadvornick]

I probably won't live to be 101 Ken...

So you don't think there's a fair chance of them significantly improving their slide films in the next 35 years?

:w00t:

Ken

 

[Xmas]

I do. It was pretty bad by the standards of today (well, the standards of pre-discontinuation of Provia 400X) but was pretty good by the standards of the day and was better than any Fuji slide film I ever saw then, which was none. I'm not sure if they may have made slide film then but if they did I never saw it.

Nostalgia alert....

Later than HS 160 ISO i.e. about 1980 I was shooting a bride M4 & 135mm /2.8 Kodachrome 25 when a voice behind said "what film are you using Noel?" the grooms dad was a kodak manager...

He went on to regale me with "Kodak have gone to dogs cause they had let green boxes into every pharmacy and we're being sued by a minnow".

I merely swapped a M body and continued to slam the lever against the stop.

Seems like yesterday.

 

[miha]

re scanning: does anyone remember the Pepper Grain issue of Fuji films?: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/film/fuji-pepper.shtml

 

[StoneNYC]

But emulsion making is more akin to brewing - suppose they turn out to be as good at making slide film as they are at making wine?

Oh god I hope not!! I hope they are WAY better at making film than they are at making wine, anyone who knows their wines knows that Italians make some of the worst wines in the world, they just make a lot of it, and drink a lot of it too! (And I'm Italian...)

French, Californians, Spaniards, Chilean, Africans, Australians, Germans, Georgians, Russians, ALL make better wines than the Italians.

 

[mooseontheloose]

Oh god I hope not!! I hope they are WAY better at making film than they are at making wine, anyone who knows their wines knows that Italians make some of the worst wines in the world, they just make a lot of it, and drink a lot of it too! (And I'm Italian...)

French, Californians, Spaniards, Chilean, Africans, Australians, Germans, Georgians, Russians, ALL make better wines than the Italians.

Canadians too?

 

[Roger Cole]

Oh god I hope not!! I hope they are WAY better at making film than they are at making wine, anyone who knows their wines knows that Italians make some of the worst wines in the world, they just make a lot of it, and drink a lot of it too! (And I'm Italian...)

French, Californians, Spaniards, Chilean, Africans, Australians, Germans, Georgians, Russians, ALL make better wines than the Italians.

Maybe they make some of the worst and best?

Oh well, I'll take your word for it.

 

[StoneNYC]

Canadians too?

No too cold, lots of whites and native vines, similar to upstate New York and Connecticut, I'm not really a white wine fan as much as red so I don't like much from this area.

Wine like film is all personal and one might like a cheap poorly made wine and another might prefer a finely crafted wine that costs more, it's all personal preference and that's OK.

 

[StoneNYC]

Maybe they make some of the worst and best?

Oh well, I'll take your word for it.

There are good wine producers everywhere but it's one of those deals where you have a much better chance of a good wine from other countries than Italy.

Italy is an interesting country when it comes to wine, because they produce a ton of wine, the thing is is that wine is infused in the Italian culture, people drink wine all the time with many meals, so the production of wine and the amount that they harvest means that much of the production is of poor quality because they need to produce more to keep up with demand, this means not really being able to use the soil to its best advantage, nor limiting the hydration to increase the sugars and force a smaller harvest with better sugar content, so you end up with an overall larger harvest that dilutes the richness of the grape, so this is why it's harder to get an Italian wine of good quality over other countries.

This is of course a generalization but I think you get the picture of what I'm saying.

 

[miha]

There are good wine producers everywhere but it's one of those deals where you have a much better chance of a good wine from other countries than Italy.

Italy is an interesting country when it comes to wine, because they produce a ton of wine, the thing is is that wine is infused in the Italian culture, people drink wine all the time with many meals, so the production of wine and the amount that they harvest means that much of the production is of poor quality because they need to produce more to keep up with demand, this means not really being able to use the soil to its best advantage, nor limiting the hydration to increase the sugars and force a smaller harvest with better sugar content, so you end up with an overall larger harvest that dilutes the richness of the grape, so this is why it's harder to get an Italian wine of good quality over other countries.

This is of course a generalization but I think you get the picture of what I'm saying.

Nothing is diluted in Italy, their yield (55hl/ha) is similar to that of France and California and lower than in that in Argentina, South Africa and especially Germany where it reaches 130hl/ha.
Italy has some of the best wines in the world - you should pay a visit to this beautiful country once Stone to see the massive size of their vineyards and the conditions grapes are exposed to.
And not to mention their grappa which can hold a candle to the best French cognacs or armagnacs.

 

[AgX]

Isn't that discontinuation of their liquid emulsion not surprising with those reports in mind of growing interest at basic photography?

 

[Truzi]

Stone, being of Italian ancestry, you should know that a good table wine isn't necessarily a "fine wine;" and Italy produces both. Also, there are some people, myself included, who like wine to actually taste of the fruit from which it came.
In addition, the maligned (with good reason) chianti has made a comeback in quality.

Now, if you want a truly bad wine, I've a couple carboys of homemade wine that I don't think have turned to vinegar yet

 

[BradleyK]

No too cold, lots of whites and native vines, similar to upstate New York and Connecticut, I'm not really a white wine fan as much as red so I don't like much from this area.

Wine like film is all personal and one might like a cheap poorly made wine and another might prefer a finely crafted wine that costs more, it's all personal preference and that's OK.

I'll reserve judgement on the "ice wines" from the Niagara peninsula, Stone, but you really should give our (Beautiful) British Columbia VQAs a shot, before dismissing Canadian wines. lol

 

[StoneNYC]

Stone, being of Italian ancestry, you should know that a good table wine isn't necessarily a "fine wine;" and Italy produces both. Also, there are some people, myself included, who like wine to actually taste of the fruit from which it came.
In addition, the maligned (with good reason) chianti has made a comeback in quality.

Now, if you want a truly bad wine, I've a couple carboys of homemade wine that I don't think have turned to vinegar yet

Haha! No thanks on the foot wine

And yes I know the difference.

Like I said "bad" is all personal. I like to taste the fruit but I like very complex flavors, and unlike most I don't like heavy tannins, but I do like a bold complex heavy red, simple stuff isn't as enjoyable because I really love to discover the subtle flavors, textures etc, it's just like film, so many subtle differences and each one is enhanced and changed by the different "foods" of scenery in the world.

 

[benjiboy]

Fuji Velvia 100 as far as I know isn't discontinued in either 135 or 120 sizes, only the F stuff, they are different films .http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/velvia100f.htm

 

[Sirius Glass]

Canadians too?

Canadiens too.

 

[StoneNYC]

Fuji Velvia 100 as far as I know isn't discontinued in either 135 or 120 sizes, only the F stuff, they are different films .http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/velvia100f.htm

Who said anything about Velvia100 being discontinued?