Fuji Crystal Archive Type DPII printed with enlarger

[L Gebhardt]

In digital printing they don't generally do the curve corrections in Photoshop, but rather the driver software for the printer has a linearization function. In essence each channel of RGB gets its own curve. At least that's how the LightJet I'm familiar with works.

I imagine this lets the paper manufacturer have much more leeway in the tolerances for the paper. In essence crossover can be eliminated at the printing stage. Also papers such as what Drew described above could be made to work perfectly fine for regular photos. Of course you could also tweak the output curves for the printer to get really dense blacks and crisp whites. So I guess digital only papers let them ship crap assuming the printer will take care of it. Maybe I'm too cynical.

 

[DREW WILEY]

I don't think that's the case at all. In advertising displays you have a common scenario where a model might be involved, so you need to retain good highlight
retention of subtle skintone hues and so forth, yet you also need text copy to
come out crisp at both extremes. That would mandate printer profiles which have
a distinct upsweep in the extreme ends of the curve, which could then be custom
adjusted as needed. Fuji is probably concerned that if a conventional printer gets
ahold of this kind of product, there will be complaints because analog printing of
color negatives conventionally uses no contrast alteration at all, but only a choice
of paper. But for some of us, convention is the first thing to go out the door.

 

[jboh]

iranzi, how did it go with printing optically on the Fuji type dpII? I'm assuming you have tried it by now and would be interested to know what results you got as I'm thinking of trying the same.

 

[newcan1]

This is probably a daft question --- but somewhere I have an old Beseler wheel thingy with three filters, R,G,B - that you fit under the lens and use to make three separate exposures by spinning each into place. A very poor man's RGB system. Would that work with these papers? I don't see why not. I may have to renew the filters, they are probably scratched by now.

 

[DREW WILEY]

That would be sequential additive printing, and it would be slow, tedious to balance, and some enlarger simply might not have enough output for it. Image quality would depend on the quality of
the filters themselves. And you couldn't dodge/burn without fringing effects. The Beseler-Minolta
additive system used flash tubes in sequence. Also low light output and sequential, but more user
friendly. A true simultaneous additive system is a lot tricker problem to put together. The first reason
for this is that true additive filters are much deeper than subtractive ones, so pass much less light.
So when you increase your light output you end up with all kinds of maintenance issues with the heat and internal components of the colorhead. The second problem is with the electronics. Won't
go into that. But for old-school assembly print processes like dye transfer or carbro, those under the
lens filters might work.

 

[Bob Carnie]

With a Lambda. one sets Dmin and Dmax aim points into the program and a density sweep is done laying down a 21 step grey step tablet.. The operator(me) then runs the step wedge through an onboard densitometer which balances the Red Green and Blue Laser so their curve shapes are balanced and neutral in each step.
Once calibrated you send your files to print

The lambda does have onboard density , colour and contrast control, but they are much cruder than using Photoshop.
All major contrast density and colour corrections are done in PS first with a calibrated monitor, profiles are applied then minor density and colour changes are done on the Lambda. We are usually 1 or two points colour correction with the final tweak... Some of the Old Timers here who used colour enlargers know thats pretty tight.


What is interesting when calibrating or profiling is the Human Eye is much more accurate than the software and slight tweaking of colour is always preferred as a final test. You hear of perfect monitor and perfect profiles , but there always is the final touch.
Its like the old days of interneg balancing.. I remember four ways of calibrating but always in the end once calibrated we would manually look for crosscurves on a graduated background print and make the final adjustment.
Some of the digital papers we use are totally ok for enlarger projection and printing and in fact I am thinking of a project where I actually want to make an enlarger print over a lambda version.
11x14 or 8x10 colour neg to about 20 x24 print.

In digital printing they don't generally do the curve corrections in Photoshop, but rather the driver software for the printer has a linearization function. In essence each channel of RGB gets its own curve. At least that's how the LightJet I'm familiar with works.

I imagine this lets the paper manufacturer have much more leeway in the tolerances for the paper. In essence crossover can be eliminated at the printing stage. Also papers such as what Drew described above could be made to work perfectly fine for regular photos. Of course you could also tweak the output curves for the printer to get really dense blacks and crisp whites. So I guess digital only papers let them ship crap assuming the printer will take care of it. Maybe I'm too cynical.

 

[hrst]

A true simultaneous additive system is a lot tricker problem to put together.

Or was. Today, we have very powerful and high-efficiency LEDs with near-optimum wavelengths, not very narrow but narrow enough. I have built a film scanner from scratch with a B/W CCD and did the color separation by flashing 450/520/660 nm LEDs with great results without additional filters. I suppose this will work very well for additive enlarging too, but I have yet to make the LED head. Intensity is no issue. For example, my next revision of my film scanner project has 60W LED power in just 10 x 25 mm area. Driven at 10% power, it is so bright that you cannot look at it without hurting your eyes. And because the LED is a very small source, it's easy to diffuse them together in a small diffuser. No UV or IR is emitted, no filters are needed.

The widely available cheap power LED selection (from China ) has to offer at least the following: 405 nm (near-UV), 445, 450, 455, 470, 520, 625, 660 nm. The biggest problem is the lack of 540 nm green -- 520 nm is a little bluish --, but I don't believe it's a real problem (and it can be mitigated by using filters, if absolutely necessary. The efficiency would still be quite high compared to any white light + filter technology).

A 20W additive LED system should be comparable to at least 150 W subtractive halogen system in light output.