Fuji Crystal Archive Type 2 Vs. Type C HELP!

[Photo Engineer]

You know, if Kodak made such a light weight paper, you all would b**ch about it!

PE

 

[hpulley]

After spending a couple of hours cutting down a roll of Supra in the dark this morning I'd be happy if Kodak still made cut paper at all, thin and floppy or otherwise!

I'm just glad I didn't cut myself. Try explaining that in emerg, "So I was cutting a 575 roll of paper in the dark and I cut myself. The bleeding wouldn't stop though at first I just thought I'd spilled my blix" "Psych consult to emerg, psych consult to emerg..." "No! No! I can explain! I was just printing RA-4!"

Af

You know, if Kodak made such a light weight paper, you all would b**ch about it!

PE

 

[pentaxuser]

You know, if Kodak made such a light weight paper, you all would b**ch about it!

PE

I think that on the subject of RA4 paper a lot of us had a great liking for Kodak. All you have to do, PE, is persuade Kodak to continue to make and offer cut sheets. There is a great and cheap opportunity for Kodak to win over its lost customers.

Compared to the small savings of cutting out the cutting machines in the process, there must be large losses from frustrating consumers. Imagine Ilford declaring tomorrow that in future users will have to buy rolls and cut their own sheets!

It's a marketing opportunity for Kodak waiting to be taken advantage of. A "no brainer" as they say. Fuji has played into Kodak's hands. What more does Kodak need?

pentaxuser

 

[OzJohn]

I have not printed colour for a number of years and all my colour is presently printed commercially. For various reasons I prefer Endura for some things and Fuji for others so I use 2 labs. Fuji CA has always been noticably thinner than Kodak Professional papers although about the same thickness as their photofinishing papers such as Edge (which probably no longer exists).
I'm just curious - are you guys saying that the newest Fuji paper is even thinner or is it just that you are encountering Fuji paper for the first time? If it's even thinner I haven't noticed it in my prints yet and would have to say that if it got much thinner it would be approaching the document papers of old.
Cheers OzJohn

 

[Photo Engineer]

Well, I know I could not convince Kodak to sell cut sheet paper. Here is the probable reason. They now produce a version for laser printers which requires very short exposure times and a very particular type of reciprocity and latent image keeping. This product gives slightly "off" results when used with a typical enlarger. They therefore don't support 2 product lines for economy.

OTOH, they wrote off millions in loss last year due to loss of good will. This should tell them something. They also declared a loss this quarter that is about 2x what the analysts expected. So, it appears to me that they are handing the "keys to the kingdom" to Fuji without an argument or a fight.

I'm getting tired of trying to understand Kodak or Perez. If he wants, he can come on APUG and try to explain his apparent ineptitude with the customers.

PE

 

[hpulley]

Not new to Fuji CA as I've had lab prints made on it for years but I haven't printed for myself in a long time so even the long expired Kodak paper I'm using is in fact new to me. I don't know if Type II is thinner than Type C but it is sure thinner than Supra and Endura pro papers from Kodak. Fuji doesn't brand the paper as Type II on the back so I can't tell which ones from labs are Type C and which are Type II. At least Kodak identifies their paper well

You can still buy Edge, Endura, Supra if you know where to look.

My local labs are sorry they stopped optically printing and offering same day color film processing. Now I do it myself and they've lost all my business other than emergency film and B&W supplies (can get them all cheaper by mail order if I plan ahead).

 

[Photo Engineer]

Just to clarify something here, Type C paper from Kodak was only offered on DW FB paper support and only for the P-122 process.

PE

 

[hpulley]

DW FB color prints sound wonderful but I don't know that process.

 

[Photo Engineer]

It was 75 F, Develop, Stop, wash, Harden/Fix, wash, Bleach, wash, Fix, wash Stabilize (something like that). It took about 1.5 hours! I have boxes of them here, done up until it was discontinued in the 60s.

PE

 

[hpulley]

Wow and here I thought 2min dev, 30sec stop, 2min blix and 3min wash was kind of slow!

It was 75 F, Develop, Stop, wash, Harden/Fix, wash, Bleach, wash, Fix, wash Stabilize (something like that). It took about 1.5 hours! I have boxes of them here, done up until it was discontinued in the 60s.

PE

 

[Photo Engineer]

Oh dear, the development step for this one was something like 12 minutes or maybe more!

I could find an old data sheet here somewhere, but reading it makes me dizzy to see how many hours I spent in the DR back then.

PE

 

[snapshot2000]

I have maybe 2 DW fiber color prints that were the first color prints I ever made back around 1973 or '74, if not a little earlier. They still have rich colors and even though the photos weren't anything spectacular, the prints did have an amazing depth. I believe these were on an Agfa paper with Beseler 2-step chemicals. The next prints I have are on Kodak RC.

I was just buying some b&w paper and disappointed, after not having printed for a long time, to find out that Kodak b&w papers are no longer being produced.

I did find an unopened box of FineArt Elite which is pretty badly fogged, even to having mottled borders, though the prints i made on it look good. OK, I'm off topic here, but I always try to buy Kodak products, even though I may not do so exclusively.

I'm just about to get back into printing color and am confused now about which paper and chemicals to buy for home-use machine processing.

Hopefully, Freestyle will repackage some of the Kodak product. I don't really have time (or dexterity or patience) to cut up a huge roll in the dark.

Dan

Oh dear, the development step for this one was something like 12 minutes or maybe more!

I could find an old data sheet here somewhere, but reading it makes me dizzy to see how many hours I spent in the DR back then.

PE

 

[hpulley]

There is some cut Endura on eBay at least.

 

[Photo Engineer]

I have an avid photographer friend named Dan, whom I have lost contact with over the years. I gave him a number of my FB color prints. I remember one in particular of him and his brother. I have a copy here in my album. Yes, Agfa discontinued FB color quite a bit after Kodak. Gevaert also made FB color. I have printed on both and still have one of the Agfa kits here.

PE

 

[snapshot2000]

Wish I had saved a few more of those fiber color prints.

Thanks everyone. I found some Endura supra and ordered it to pop into the freezer -- still pretty busy with b&w.

Dan

 

[junerain]

super c same as "type c" that was discontinued in cut sheets?

Hpulley- Yeah, I think it's "that bad." I blew $300 on Type II paper and I sacrificed two boxes of 16x20 simply for the dark bag and box. I have no idea what Fuji was thinking and I question if they did any analog testing. I special ordered a roll of matte Super Type C from B+H and it arrived in a timely manner. It just took three hours on a Saturday to cut 10% of it down. I posted in another thread that Type II is good for two things: bird cage lining and causing analog color shooters to go digital (which I refuse to do until it's totally gone).

Larry, Colorado

So does that mean that i can print with this Super C in rolls and it will be the same as the old type C cut sheet form that is now discontinued? I'm trying to finish out an edition of prints that was printed on that before there is no paper left !! So glad I found this site... i'm not alone

 

[Roger Cole]

So does that mean that i can print with this Super C in rolls and it will be the same as the old type C cut sheet form that is now discontinued? I'm trying to finish out an edition of prints that was printed on that before there is no paper left !! So glad I found this site... i'm not alone

Why not print it in sheets?

You have other options (Kodak) if you're willing to cut down rolls. The new Fuji paper is the only one available (fresh and new anyway) in sheets.