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The loss of Efke paper sucks big time, they were one of the few manufacturers that still produced graded matt paper. There are plenty of good glossy paper but only very few matt paper. A big thank you to ilford for the Art 300 series and Multigrade Matt, but I personally prefer the surface of Emaks and Varycon to the surface of Ilford Multigrade matt. Art 300 is unfortunately not suitable for all subjects. Emak and Varycon were also the best papers for lith printing(still in production) imho. Efke 50 will also be missed greatly,damn beautiful film.:sad:

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To balance all the doom and gloom here is a message from ADOX that came on Facebook today. At least some positive news.
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This week we have made first trail coatings with Polywarmtone emulsion on our small research coating machine. We had to rebuild her from coating film to paper. Since this was done at light we can´t comment on the photographic propertis yet. First results can probably be inspected in about 3 weeks when we have repeated the test under "real" conditions.
Thing are moving!
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There are probably other places to get the paper and the film but looking at my 3 main sources, BHPhoto, Freestyle and MacoDirect, it would appear that the paper is certainly in short supply right now. On the other hand these on-line stores appear to have film on hand at this point. The bulk rolls of KB25 are out of stock in all three stores and the R25 is low at Freestyle. Beyond that stock seems good.
 

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I know I bring bad news, I am very sad: emaks double weight grade 2 is/was my favorite paper since I started developing prints by myself. Fotokemika was one of things that made me proud to be Croatian (more than sports achievement for sure).
Workers at factory sad to me that nothing is 100% sure yet, but it looks bad. There will make official announcement in short future. Beside problems with old machines, they also mentioned problems with rented place (it looks like they are not owners of the land), and to move machines and put them together back again - they sad it is financially but also mechanically not possible.
 

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Reminds me of the Forte demise, Land Land above all. Great Paper killed by real estate development.

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...There were 6 machines in 3 rooms with 4 operational at any one time. The other two were undergoing refit and cleaning. Of course, these were the most modern. There were also other coating machines. There were two separate buildings devoted to film.

I know all of this has been talked about (and lamented) before but, Jeez Louise, what an operation that must have been! And I never got a tour, alas.

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I KNEW something was bugging me about this discussion. It finally came to me what it was.

Here is the first question I asked about the need for such slow film, with some added emphasis:

Just curious, but why do you need such a slow film in sheets? The reason for tolerating a very slow film, for me, was to get very fine grain. I don't need that when a 16x20 is only a 4x enlargement. TMX has finer grain than Pan X did, not with the same look granted, but finer grain.

To which I received this reply:

I am sorry if I was not plain enough in my answer. ISO 100 film is too fast. Specifically, lets consider this lens:

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The 250mm f2.0 Zuiko. Maximum aperture is f2.0.

Tell me with a straight face that this lens covers 4x5, or even quarter plate, and I'll grant you need ISO 25 film to shoot it wide open. Otherwise, the question stands.

Folks shooting 35mm and 120 will continue to have the excellent Ilford Pan F. Even on a 4x5, you can use it in a roll film back if you want, just hard to shoot wide angles that way.

By using a wide open aperture, you keep depth of field shallow and allow the background to disappear into a blur. As I mentioned, this issue is aperture driven. Not everyone wants to have everything in the frame razor sharp. And no, these lenses were not just for low light. From The OM System Lens Handbook (1983) Page 150: ....

Ah, this would be a handbook for some "OM System" for sheet film of which I was previously unaware? No? Then it's for 35mm and you can go on using Pan F+.

Now, to answer my own question, I have seen some very good work done on large format that required slow effective speeds, namely motion studies with very long exposure times to let some elements blur. Wynn Bullock has done some really impressive shots like this, as well as lesser known photographers. But it's usually pretty easy to use ND filters on large format.

I appreciate that people want slow films, and even more the losing of a favorite, but there are usually other ways to get the results we're after.
 

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Roger I use Efke 50PL (4x5) developed in Hypercat, Efke 50 has a very different look to others film especially in pyro, where it really shines in my opinion. I also use Pan F these film have a very different look, Pan F has more inherent contrast and creates a cooler look (don't know how else to describe it). Adding a ND Filter to an uncoated lens adds an additional glass surface not so good. And to quote you "Pan X did, not with the same look granted, but finer grain." Well I don't have a problem with grain I love it in fact, but I am after a certain look that I get with a certain film. I am also sure that I will be able to recreate that look with other films, I just have to experiment some.

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I understand. Believe me, I understand "I like Efke films and nothing else has the same look." What I didn't understand was needing specifically SLOW films in sheets. My fastest 4x5 lens is f/4.7 and that's fast for LF. My other two are 6.8 and 7.7, with the latter being a 203 Ektar, and the one most likely to be used for portraits where I might shoot near wide open. (I love that little lens.) It starts out nearly f/8 and add even a yellow filter, and the fact I don't shoot in bright sun...

I understand loving a film that's going away, believe me. (I found E100G after Astia was axed and then Kodak took it too :sad: ) I was just questioning needing a specifically very slow film for large format. Thought I concede some people may.
 

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I understand. Believe me, I understand "I like Efke films and nothing else has the same look." What I didn't understand was needing specifically SLOW films in sheets. My fastest 4x5 lens is f/4.7 and that's fast for LF. My other two are 6.8 and 7.7, with the latter being a 203 Ektar, and the one most likely to be used for portraits where I might shoot near wide open. (I love that little lens.) It starts out nearly f/8 and add even a yellow filter, and the fact I don't shoot in bright sun...

I understand loving a film that's going away, believe me. (I found E100G after Astia was axed and then Kodak took it too :sad: ) I was just questioning needing a specifically very slow film for large format. Thought I concede some people may.

Well, I confess that I have used the Efke PL 25 M in sheet film. Is there a need for it. Of course not. I used it anyway because I can. I suppose that I could make images without using any film at all, but I like to make images using film. Of course it isn't good to loose any film or paper.:sad:
 

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Another reason to use fine grained films is if you scan the negatives and like to look at them in full size to study details. If you use the same resolution when you're scanning 35mm and 4x5" the grain will look the same on the screen in full size.

It would not surprise me if the Efke films will be made in Germany under the name Adox in the future.
 

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While we are on the topic I have a few film questions. Does anyone know whether Kodak is still coating any film? Has either 2475 or 2484 been made any time recently? If it has been, was it for civilian use? For years there was inexpensive Afga b&w film sold under the Agfa, Tura and other names. When Agfaphoto and Konica ceased production that must have allowed some breathing space for Ilford. Konica was never a big presence in the U.S when it came to b&w film. The absence of Agfa (Agfaphoto) must have helped Ilford more. If both Kodak and Fuji ceased all film production, would Ilford be capable of making at least some color print film? The handwriting was on the wall for E-6 for some time. Now that Kodak is no longer making slide film maybe Fuji, at the new higher prices, can make it a while longer. When a 36 exp. roll of Portra 800 sells for more than $10 I have to wonder how much longer it will be around. I can see a time when all of my film cameras will only have b&w to shoot with and all color work will be digital. Does anyone know whether Agfa-Gevaert is still coating film? What ever became of the Foto-Impex project to coat b&w films similer to APX 100 and 400 using old machinery from Agfaphoto?
 

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Kodak is still operating the film division as usual making tons of ECN-2 and ECP and lots of B&W and C41 products.

As for the others, try questioning the companies.

Dynachrome is no longer making any film.

PE
 

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While we are on the topic I have a few film questions. .... The handwriting was on the wall for E-6 for some time. Now that Kodak is no longer making slide film maybe Fuji, at the new higher prices, can make it a while longer. When a 36 exp. roll of Portra 800 sells for more than $10 I have to wonder how much longer it will be around. I can see a time when all of my film cameras will only have b&w to shoot with and all color work will be digital. Does anyone know whether Agfa-Gevaert is still coating film? What ever became of the Foto-Impex project to coat b&w films similer to APX 100 and 400 using old machinery from Agfaphoto?

Provia and Velvia are not significantly more expensive than professional negative films, at lest not Portra and Ektar. I just checked Freestyle and Provia is actually slightly less than Portra. There are no cheap amateur slide films from Fuji anymore though. The death of slide film is due to vast improvement in negative film and consumer preference, not price.

Why is this in the Fotokemika thread which has nothing whatsoever to go with color materials?
 

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Provia and Velvia are not significantly more expensive than professional negative films, at lest not Portra and Ektar. I just checked Freestyle and Provia is actually slightly less than Portra. There are no cheap amateur slide films from Fuji anymore though. The death of slide film is due to vast improvement in negative film and consumer preference, not price.

Why is this in the Fotokemika thread which has nothing whatsoever to go with color materials?

Continuing the colour film conversation, which I agree has nothing to do with Fotokemika... AgfaPhoto sell CT Precisa slide film for about £3.50 per roll (from a ten pack) or slightly more for individual rolls. This is made by Fuji and is apparently a slightly modified version of Provia 100. This I think is the last cheap consumer slide film readily available. There is also the Rollei CR200, which again is under £4 per roll, but a slightly more niche product and not widely available outside specialist stores. I would say that at least in 135 format pro slide film is still significantly more expensive than colour negative.

Actually that is one question i've never had a satisfactory answer for. Why the ridiculous difference in price between pro slide film in 135 and 120 format? Provia 400x is somewhere between £5-£6 per roll in 120 and over £10 in 135. Provia 100f is available for £3.20 per roll in 120, but £8.39 for 135! It is roughly the same film surface area and generally I guess 135 sells more, so production of canisters and packing material can't account for it. Also Fuji can clearly make slide film for AgfaPhoto at a fraction of the cost, so are they just trying to kill it off as a consumer product?

Back on topic, I really hope this isn't the end for Efke.
 

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Not wishing to prolong color discussion in this thread, but actually Efke did supply a 35mm color neg film (C-41), Efkecolor Spektar 100, in the 1990's. Used some myself and still have a single roll in the freezer....results were good, although, from the appearance of the film and packing, and "Japan" in tiny letters on the cassette, it looks like rebadged Konica.
 
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