Well I just ordered 200 sheets of IR820 in 4x5, that is all I can do this time around, been a super expensive year for stocking up on film!
Well I just ordered 200 sheets of IR820 in 4x5, that is all I can do this time around, been a super expensive year for stocking up on film!
Isn't IR film more susceptible to fog, even when stored frozen?
so all after all Efke is almost dead? selling film in bulk is not an option, too?
Well if you read the thread you will see that we can´t sell anything that is not made anymore.And what are the odds that ADOX/Fotoimpex will be able to continue providing EFKE film, even if in bulk rolls only?
Is there anyboby here, maybe Fotoimpex itself, who can gimme an explaination about why I cannot order any Adox CHS material from Ars-Imago (the Fotoimpex local distributor in Italy, Rome) but I have to order directly from Fotoimpex itself?
Notice that I was able to order any ADOX CHS from Ars-Imago until yesterday...
Well if you read the thread you will see that we can´t sell anything that is not made anymore.
Confectioning is not the issue. Making money in making film in general is.
On the other hand I have seen some numbers on page 28 which are on the other end of the scale.
We do not intend to sell a roll of film at 20$. Between the current price of 3,50 EUR and 20$ there is a lot of room.
The consumers are very strong in the photographic market. They push prices via the dealers to the manufacturers to the limit.
In order to sustain a business everyone has to make some money. Efke would have needed by far less than 20$ per roll to go on.
Mirko
In order to sustain a business everyone has to make some money. Efke would have needed by far less than 20$ per roll to go on.
Mirko
...If it's just another pretty good film then it must compete in price with similar good films.
Cut out the middle man and sell direct online. Negotiate a volume deal with DHL or UPS and make sure the shipping conditions and prices for the customers are reflected in the prices of the products.
I can't buy EFKE locally anyway, no stores in my area carries it, so I used to get it online from Germany.
http://www.fotoimpex.de/shop/filme-...ms/planfilmesheet-films/11x14-inch11x14-inch/
Tell me why I can't buy this product? This link to the page was copied just now.
This won´t work because the "middle men" finance the product availability and optimize freight and customs. Efke produced on demand every 6 weeks and we kept stock for 6 months in order to be somehow able to supply in a way that a customer can expect us to. It is extremely expensive to sell small quantities of product to individuals and give technical support etc. You need the capital (interest), infrastructure and people for that and this costs you money. In the end you get to keep at maximum the amount that the "middle men" earned as a profit. By no means you will be able to keep all the markup he added. An now guess what?
The middel men arent´t doing to well in this price driven market either.....
So this will bring you nowhere. The market needs to stabilise it´s markup chain. Today Fuji Europe announced a 20% price increase on all silver halide products. This is good news for the industry and for the consumers even though consumers might disagree in a first reflex.
Mirko
(there was a url link here which no longer exists)
Ian
Efke is ceasing production voluntarily because they cannot make money in selling film and papers anymore. Market prices are way to low for silver based products since about 5 years, especially if your products contain a lot of silver.
Many of our ambitious projects stalled because of this as well.
Repairing the machine is not an option because it makes no economic sense to continue the production after the repair has been done. Not because it can´t be done or there would be no money available (this is simplifying things a bit but in general this is true).
We are not moving their production anywhere. This sad news has hit us suddenly and all we do at this point is thinking about ways what possibly could be done now to deal with the situation. Our stocks will be depleted in about 2 months.
One option is to manufacture a similar film on a small scale with modern technology at a higher price. If it sells at this price, production is sustainable.
This is only possible in our very small factory which we built from pieces of the former Agfa research dept. We are talking quantities here which are a fraction of what efke did and needed to do in order to support their operation in the size it was. They were small compared to Ilford and Kodak but are also quite large compared to us.
For efke this is not an option because on a higher price level turnover will fall and both will lead to the same outcome: Not being able to recover running costs from sales or even think about profit.
Mirko
The buying market will not pay more or doesn't have the money...
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