Forum threads designed to provoke..

[mark]

I'll probably get shot for this but I hate it when I can't figure out the motivation or reason for something.

OP, Is there a reason for the post or are you just blathering?

 

[johnnywalker]

Could you imagine a ZS guy trying to take this one?

http://www.drpribut.com/mt/archives/000095.html

Karsh took a somewhat similar picture of Churchill. I don't know if he was a ZS guy or not, but it was certainly LF. Never connected zones with portraits anyway.

 

[David H. Bebbington]

Could you imagine a ZS guy trying to take this one?

http://www.drpribut.com/mt/archives/000095.html

or this one:

http://photograph.blogs.sapo.pt/arquivo/087250.html

It would be hysterical...

Believe it or not, in the good ol' days of all-manual photojournalism, while there were some photographers who insisted on guesstimating exposure, there were others who actually used meters - I certainly used to when I was working with a Speed Graphic, Rolleiflex or Leica in the 60s. In the interests of speed, it was always advisable to keep the camera set in advance to the right exposure for the prevailing conditions, and in the absence of a gray card or incident attachment, it was quite common to meter the back of your (Caucasian) hand and open up up 2 stops, in other words to place your reading on zone VII (although most people would not have described it as such). You can live your whole life without the zone system, and criticize as much as you want, but it does have its uses!

 

[arigram]

Oh, please, don't turn this one into another ZS advocation thread!

Btw, signore Pederzoli, I do find offensive the use of a fascist leader as an avatar, but you are welcome to use whatever you like, just stay out of trouble here.

 

[David H. Bebbington]

Oh, please, don't turn this one into another ZS advocation thread! QUOTE]
What do you want, abuse, outrage and gnashing of teeth? Plenty of that already!

 

[Jorge]

Ironic, isnt it? that the one thread posted by the owner of this site regarding trolling has once again been highjacked by Il douche bag to troll......I say we adopt the survivor approach and start voting people off the island.

 

[Mateo]

At some point people do have a detrimental effect on the good nature of this site. Heated debates can happen between well meaning persons but not everyone means well. My vote is that the fascist goes away, again.

 

[Ornello]

Oh, please, don't turn this one into another ZS advocation thread!

Btw, signore Pederzoli, I do find offensive the use of a fascist leader as an avatar, but you are welcome to use whatever you like, just stay out of trouble here.

He was the enemy, but a good-looking one! He dressed far better than most Western-style ZS devotees.

My uncle fought against the Fascists:
http://www.anpi.it/uomini/pederzoli.htm

 

[arigram]

He was the enemy, but a good-looking one! He dressed far better than most Western-style ZS devotees.

My uncle fought against the Fascists:
http://www.anpi.it/uomini/pederzoli.htm

Have some respect for your uncle then.

 

[Ornello]

Believe it or not, in the good ol' days of all-manual photojournalism, while there were some photographers who insisted on guesstimating exposure, there were others who actually used meters - I certainly used to when I was working with a Speed Graphic, Rolleiflex or Leica in the 60s. In the interests of speed, it was always advisable to keep the camera set in advance to the right exposure for the prevailing conditions, and in the absence of a gray card or incident attachment, it was quite common to meter the back of your (Caucasian) hand and open up up 2 stops, in other words to place your reading on zone VII (although most people would not have described it as such). You can live your whole life without the zone system, and criticize as much as you want, but it does have its uses!

What are you saying? Can you imagine going through any sort of elaborate process when standing before Mr Goebbels? You have only a moment or two to catch his snarl before he puts on his public-relations face. You would not have gotten such a photo as this, I assure you, if you did what you described. You would have gotten what Mr Goebbels would have preferred: a posed picture.

And this was sometime around 1937 or 1938, before meters were reliable and cheap...I'm sure Mr Eisenstadt knew exactly what exposure to use from experience...

 

[Bob F.]

Oh, please, don't turn this one into another ZS advocation thread! <snip>

You may have noted that the only time there is a "ZS advocation" event is when a certain person decides to wind people up about it. God, and the guy's analyst alone knows why he has the compulsion to do this. In an antsy 13 year old boy with hormonal fluctuations I could understand it, but in a grown man? Go, as the well known phrase has it, figure... No one ever starts a thread extolling the virtues of the zone system: it's always in response to the trollmeister.


Cheers, Bob.

 

[blansky]

The once was a man named Scarpetti
Who act like he’s hung in the Getty
With his heroes he’s lazy
But mostly he’s crazy
And his insults are juvenile and petty

The gospel with that he lays claim
That brought him all of his fame
Is the point and shoot
And that’s the root
Of how he made his name.

His nom de plume is Pederzoli
And through the group he’s a trollin
A wise crack here
An answer with a sneer
And soon he gets things a rolling

His avatar is that of a clown
But alas it’s upside down
For it’s something we know
his hero was a show
Out in the center of town

I’m beginning to fear for the worst
As the crowd builds up its thirst
He will end up the same
Of il duce fame
With one more rude outburst.


Michael

 

[Ornello]

You may have noted that the only time there is a "ZS advocation" event is when a certain person decides to wind people up about it. God, and the guy's analyst alone knows why he has the compulsion to do this. In an antsy 13 year old boy with hormonal fluctuations I could understand it, but in a grown man? Go, as the well known phrase has it, figure... No one ever starts a thread extolling the virtues of the zone system: it's always in response to the trollmeister.


Cheers, Bob.

I'd prefer to call it 'ZS presumption'. Many here presume there is no argument to be brought against it, so they don't understand how anyone could find fault with it...and react quite violently against anyone who dares to broach the matter...

It's an unspoken attitude...

 

[Jorge]

Here we go again!......this is really getting boring...

 

[arigram]

Whatever.
Can we just drop the subject and get back to better things?

 

[Ornello]

Here we go again!......this is really getting boring...

I'll have no more to say on this matter. This is Sean's thread.

 

[Donald Miller]

I'll have no more to say on this matter. This is Sean's thread.

God does bless us at times...

 

[arigram]

Screw you guys, I am going home

 

[Bob F.]

Oh my God, somebody shot Pederzoli!

 

[roteague]

the guy's analyst alone knows why he has the compulsion to do this.

Excessive narcism perhaps.

 

[Ornello]

Screw you guys, I am going home

Und ich auch!

 

[David H. Bebbington]

What are you saying?

I'm saying (again) what I said before - I would expect Eisenstadt to have had his camera preset for exposure and distance before he ever saw the possibility of a picture of Goebbels, so that he could shoot instantly, if necessary without putting the camera to his eye. Did he use a meter to preset his camera or informed guesswork? Who knows - the first Weston Universal meter came out in 1930, I have a working example on my desk (but use it as a paperweight).

 

[blansky]

There once was a man named Scarpetti
Whose manner would be defined as petty
Whose craving for attention
Had reached such dimension
That he may soon end up as confetti

His bearing is that of a scholar
He acts as he’s earning top dollar
His detractors are busy
And some in a tizzy
Designing a rope in the shape of a collar

What drives him is anyone’s guess
At a loss I have to confess
But to see into his future
I see a lot of suture
And I really couldn’t care less

I think if I had to suppose
The genesis of how this arose
He ain’t getting laid
Except by the trade
And it's probably just come to blows.

So what I have to suggest
Take a minute and let it digest
We get him a date
Or maybe a mate
Then we can all take a rest

So if you can think of a guy
That’s willing to give it a try
Think now, be clever
We’ll get them together
Please hurry up with your reply

Hitler and Mussolini together
My hearts as light as a feather
One is on top
With his riding crop
And both all dressed up in leather

Off in the sunset they will ride
And I’m trying not to be snide
But our site will be fun
Once the deed it is done
Scarpetti and his dashing new bride

 

[David H. Bebbington]

Maybe we could just change the title of this thread to "Forum thread for people who like to be provoked, who like to twist trolls by the tail, and who will beat themselves up if they can't get any other action." I think this would be apt!

 

[eagleowl]

I like Flotsams suggestion of an "ignore this thread" option.
When I sign in,I always click on new posts-"ignore thread" would prevent me seeing threads I think are getting out of hand without resulting in any kind of drastic action which affects anyone other than me.
It seems to be a gentle approach which is workable.