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Unlike the uncaring folks at photobucket, Flickr is giving fair warning and offering their service in a tiered manner.
Photobucket dropped a bomb and held so many pictures hostage and essentially hobbled archived internet images due to their greed.
I don't have a problem with Flickr trying to make a few bucks.
 

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If you were to create a 2nd FLICKR account that would double your storage.

Besides, I never post anything onto Flickr unless I have the original so that makes the lost of a few pictures irrelevant because you can re-do them.
 

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Unlike the uncaring folks at photobucket, Flickr is giving fair warning and offering their service in a tiered manner.
Photobucket dropped a bomb and held so many pictures hostage and essentially hobbled archived internet images due to their greed.
I don't have a problem with Flickr trying to make a few bucks.

Initially, they asked 400$/year just to have the right to share on a 3rd party, now it’s down to 4$/month for 25GB. Also, as of May 2018, they’ve restored all of their 3rd party hosted images. The damage is done tho and trust is gone.
 

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I guess I missed the sniveling part. Flickr and smugmug both look fine to me, and the price is similar but I don’t see a reason to change from one to the other.

1) eye of beholder
2) risk/doubt re: changes at Flickr is OK for some folks but migration to Smugmug, personal websites, and similar resources shows others are more demanding.
3) Smugmug and similar offer a lot more than does Flickr for people who want/need more.
 
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Unlike the uncaring folks at photobucket, Flickr is giving fair warning and offering their service in a tiered manner.
Photobucket dropped a bomb and held so many pictures hostage and essentially hobbled archived internet images due to their greed.
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1) eye of beholder
2) risk/doubt re: changes at Flickr is OK for some folks but migration to Smugmug, personal websites, and similar resources shows others are more demanding.
3) Smugmug and similar offer a lot more than does Flickr for people who want/need more.

If there is a host that has as many film camera groups as Flickr, I would be happy to try it. As I've already stated, I find the Flickr groups both inspirational and helpful when it comes to film. Again, it isn't about the money, it's loosing the archives that concern me.
 

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If there is a host that has as many film camera groups as Flickr, I would be happy to try it. As I've already stated, I find the Flickr groups both inspirational and helpful when it comes to film. Again, it isn't about the money, it's loosing the archives that concern me.

Well, I guess you could sponsor one or more Flickr accounts. Short of something like a save an account campaign what will you do?
 

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1) eye of beholder
2) risk/doubt re: changes at Flickr is OK for some folks but migration to Smugmug, personal websites, and similar resources shows others are more demanding.
3) Smugmug and similar offer a lot more than does Flickr for people who want/need more.

1) Hey look, we're making lists!
2) Risk/doubt would be the same for me at both platforms. Neither service is permanent and can change ownership/services/policies at any time regardless of how I use the platform.
3) I appreciate the film based community groups that Flickr has and Smugmug does not have, so I'll stay there.
3b) I assume those already on Smugmug will continue using it and maybe be a little smug about it. Do you see what I did there?

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I've never posted anything to Flickr that I can remember though I do use the site for exactly the reasons the OP states. It is great to look up photographs from old lenses I am interested in, or for film types. Some of the old images from back in the day are really good too. Until Instagram it was the defacto place to put images. Of course everyone just dumps their over processed digital crap on there now, but that stuff can be avoided. Hopefully the people that posted all those old images haven't posted more than 1000.

It makes you wonder though what the internet will be like in twenty years or more. A lot of the early internet stuff is disappearing. Imagine if Flickr just up and disappeared. The chumbucket fiasco was a taste of what I mean. All of a sudden forums all across the internet were words only.
 

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1) eye of beholder
2) risk/doubt re: changes at Flickr is OK for some folks but migration to Smugmug, personal websites, and similar resources shows others are more demanding.
3) Smugmug and similar offer a lot more than does Flickr for people who want/need more.

It's amusing that the very people who insist that digital is transient are now arguing that they believe Flickr should be eternal
 

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Flickr is, for most, the very cheapest possible resource, despite being commercial... somehow the old communist economics lurk
 

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That is the internet...impermanent.
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A simple statement, yet ruthlessly true.

Perhaps it should be called the ImpermaNet.

Internet archives / wayback has preserved some sites, but complex sites with computed tables & dropdowns often do not get saved properly, hence they are lost.

Ultimately Flickr and similar sites need some money to survive.
 

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A simple statement, yet ruthlessly true.

yup
seems the only permanent thing is prints and negatives in a firesafe/bank vault/ security box
i have most of mine in tin cans burried in various places in my back yard, with all my money and gold
 

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yup
seems the only permanent thing is prints and negatives in a firesafe/bank vault/ security box
i have most of mine in tin cans burried in various places in my back yard, with all my money and gold

Which would you grab first! :D
 

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Has Flickr already started to delete photos? I must say that this is madness, they are committing a cultural genocide.

I am thinking to give pro to up to 3 accounts to save some important work.

So far I have found 1 such account that has important photos (emulsion references, lens references etc) and is not either pro or below 1000 images. I am not constantly searching for such accounts, just checking the status when I look for something else.

Can you please provide more such accounts that you think should be conserved?
 

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Has Flickr already started to delete photos?...

Quote by the SmugMug CEO :

"Free members with more than 1,000 photos and/or videos uploaded to Flickr have until Tuesday, January 8, 2019, to upgrade to Pro or download content over that limit. After January 8, 2019, members over the limit will no longer be able to upload new photos to Flickr. After February 5, 2019, Free accounts that contain over 1,000 photos and/or videos will have content actively deleted—starting from oldest to newest date uploaded—to meet the new limit."
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Europeana.eu is the EU digital platform for cultural heritage. Maybe a chance to conserve larger collections for the future ?
https://pro.europeana.eu/services/data-publication-services
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europeana
 

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Has Flickr already started to delete photos? I must say that this is madness, they are committing a cultural genocide.

I'm not sure if Flickr has but people who posted their work there often ( like Giles Clement who goes by the name Illumiquest here ) deleted all his photos from his flickr account a month or so ( i dont' know the exact date ). He still has his own website and posts his stuff to InstaGramps if you need your fix.
 

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The only way to keep something important on the Internet is by your own site maintenance.
Insta freebies will go one day just as freebies from Flickr.
 

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photobucket went a lot further and lost a lot of users due to their greed.
I don't have any problem with Flickr's new policy as it is still generous as a free service.
 
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I haven't been fixing any cameras lately, but after looking up some yashica mat things, I see that flickr fubared some repair photos (and I suspected would happen).
 

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I repeat my offer. If you know something valuable that must be preserved, let me know.
 

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I've never posted anything to Flickr that I can remember though I do use the site for exactly the reasons the OP states. It is great to look up photographs from old lenses I am interested in, or for film types. Some of the old images from back in the day are really good too. Until Instagram it was the defacto place to put images. Of course everyone just dumps their over processed digital crap on there now, but that stuff can be avoided. Hopefully the people that posted all those old images haven't posted more than 1000.

It makes you wonder though what the internet will be like in twenty years or more. A lot of the early internet stuff is disappearing. Imagine if Flickr just up and disappeared. The chumbucket fiasco was a taste of what I mean. All of a sudden forums all across the internet were words only.

Agree. All this makes a lot of good sense, also comments from jtk (#34 and #35). Nothing in this world is free and in the end we pay for everything. Flickr stayed largely gratis for much longer than most but they too now want their due. this is reasonable - far more so than churnbucket with its dubious scheme to hold its users to ransom, which seems to have backfired, which pleases me no end. Bloodsuckers sting, but a good slug of bleach does them in.

Like PR James, I've never put anything on to Flickr (only in my password-protected web site, now temporarily disabled due to technical issues). I've used Flickr almost from the start, partly to read interesting photo blogs, mostly to follow links to the work of photographers I find on this and other photo sites.

As for Flickr, it probably reached its heyday in about 2009 once the bloom of the once-fresh digital photo wave had started to fade. Back in 2005 when we were mostly all new to digital photography Flickr was wildly exciting to me and full of, I thought, new, fresh, experimental creative photography. Fifteen years later it's mostly a big photo album full of digigrap party shots, baby pictures, cute things Pussy or Puppy did last weekend or the 1,894 images Bozo Bumpkins shot on his last Sunday walkabout in the Dandenongs on his way to the cake and coffee parlor in Monbulk or Healesville, and hasn't the nous to properly edit out all his crappy-happy snaps and keep only the best so he posted the lot. Nobody much cares (not even BB) cares to look at any of it but it fills up the 'net and eventually the universe...

For my cynicism I rejoice at seeing so many good photographers on Flickr and I like to look at their imagines, usually in my hotel room at night when I'm traveling in Asia. It's good entertainment, it's free and I learn new tips and tricks to improve my own image-making skills. So it's also useful.

The new owners of Flickr were upfront in announcing what they would do and they gave everyone time to delete or pony up a little money to keep them online. Those unwilling to cough up the cash can get around things by opening new accounts and doing a little work to delete and move or repost their images. If I had to, I would pay up for a while and start deleting and moving my pics to new addresses at my leisure.

So many cling to the belief that because it was free for so long, it isn't worth anything now. this is wrong, as thousands found out with the shipbucket saga. You would think they had learned from that fiasco and won't let it happen again with Flickr (and likely others in future), but human nature is so stubborn - and so blind.
 
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