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hi, Im about to try printing and bought some cheap plastic trays for the dev/stop/fix chemicals.

They are flat bottomed. Do trays need ridges for printing? What do the ridges you see in real darkroom trays do?

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ok, so I can just tip back and forth a bit to wash the chemicals over the emulsion, and then pull out with my fingers?
 

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Prints tend to stick with flat bottomed trays and can be damaged by tongs when you try to free them Try using a fingernail when you are wearing rubber gloves.
 

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That's how I've done it for 45 years. Unless you're working with particularly poisonous chemicals. But the standard chemistry is quite safe these days. Some of the really nasty stuff just doesn't get used by the average photographer.


I have known several photographers, all good friends of mine, who developed an alergy to Metol/Elon by using their bare hands in B&W print developers instead of tongs or plastic gloves. Alergys work that way. You may get by using your bare hands 50/100/1000 or more times and then the very next printing session can result in a reaction. Cheap plastic gloves, that don't leak, make using bare hands unwise, IMOP. Why take the chance? I use stainless tongs myself. They will be here long after I am gone.......Regards!
 

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I'm going to agree with oldtimermetoo.

Sensitivity to the chemistry will make darkroom work a chore, rather than fun. And you just cannot predict who will be affected by it, or when. I've been lucky, but I certainly know others who have not.

If you must use truly flat bottom trays, consider adding some silicon bumps to the bottoms to create some spaces to get tongs other.
 
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I'm not really a gloves or tongs man myself, so I'll try apug19s approach first.

If it doesn't work I'll dimple these trays..
 

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I have both flat and non-flat trays and I'll take the non-flat anytime over flat. To me the prints stick to the bottom often as I use little chemistry and I push down on the paper so it's submerged.

The ones where you have little ridges it's super easy to lift a print and remove.
As for using hands, I use them too when printing big prints as they often slip from the tongs but I try to minimize contact with chemicals. My darkroom is a non-wet one so I don't want to drip stuff all over and this means I need to wipe my hands between every section of the development.

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I use a variety of tray, depending on the specific application. Flat-bottomed trays are nice when you need to conserve volume of expensive chemicals like gold toner. Grooved-bottom trays are nice for paper development, to quickly and efficiently get your prints lifted and out. Using bare fingers in
chemicals sounds like something from the lower Paleolithic, before people learned to cook meat. Oh well. And for film work I distinctly prefer dimple
bottomed trays. They're hard to find, but you can always make your own using little press-on hemispherical SILICONE (not vinyl) cabinet door bumpers in otherwise flat-bottomed trays.
 

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Flat bottom trays work fine. You can buy what you need MUCH cheaper in a Walmart or somewhere that way, vs a photo store. To be on the safe side, get some gloves that are too large so you can get them on and off easily for rooting around in the chemicals. As Gerald mentioned, there are some that are not good to come into contact with over years of printing. Most people won't be affected by them short term, but the exposures are cumulative. In a world that exposes us to far too many toxic substances, why add these chemicals to your body? It's good safety practice anyway, as sometime you might be using something in or out of the darkroom that's much more toxic and you won't have to think about it, you'll automatically reach for some gloves.

I bought my trays in Walmart over in the household bins section, and ran a few beads of silicone caulk across the bottoms to keep things from sticking. The only advantage the proper photo trays have is a little lip that runs around the top that makes it a easier to hold the trays when tilting them back and forth when heavy w/ chemicals, and a small pour spout on one end for easier emptying.
 
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Momus,

I have the Australian equivalent of Walmart trays.

If I have troubles with sticking, I might use caulk to make ridges like you said. You mentioned "silocone caulk". Is it definitely silicone? I ask as some people call any type of caulk "silicone."

In the past I've found silicone doesn't adhere well to these type of plastics, and was considering all-clear sealant, which sticks really well to plastic. I'm not sure how it will react to chemicals though.

Alternatively I might melt some ridges into the trays...
 
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