Fixing film, with shampoo?

[nascarfann]

Could film/ paper be fixed with chlorine removing shampoo? I noticed it contains sodium thiosulfate. Thank you for your advice/

 

[removedacct1]

Seriously. What is the perceived benefit, if in fact it works??

 

[RalphLambrecht]

Could film/ paper be fixed with chlorine removing shampoo? I noticed it contains sodium thiosulfate. Thank you for your advice/

who knows?maybe with a ton of shampoo and a lot of time.I'm likely to stay with rapid Fix.

 

[koraks]

I noticed it contains sodium thiosulfate.

The problem is that you don't know how much thiosulfate is in this shampoo and it's likely to be a rather small amount. Since these shampoos may also contain edta (I checked the ingredients list of one of these products), the bleaching action may be of a similar magnitude as the fixing action, effectively making the product a (very, very weak) blix.
You could try I suppose, but I suspect you'll need maybe a few liters of shampoo and a fixing time of several hours.

 

[AgX]

In the USA Sodium Thiosulfate is used to stabilize the Iodides in Table Salt, thus you may consider Table Salt. But likely you will not succeed to dissolve enough of it.

 

[koraks]

I vaguely recall ferricyanide being used as an anti-caking agent in some brands of table salt as well; OP might want to check that it's not present in the product he uses as otherwise the approach may be counterproductive.

 

[AgX]

Yes, at least here Ferricyanide is used.

 

[cjbecker]

How about a good fixer like tf4? I know its crazy talk but why not use a fixer made for this?

 

[logan2z]

Seriously. What is the perceived benefit, if in fact it works??

Smells better than fixer?

 

[Photo Engineer]

I would like to point out that most products like this are designed to leave a residue behind that is bonded to hair proteins to make them less brittle and more supple. Heh, if you want to do that to your film emulsion (after all, gelatin is protein), then take a chance. I doubt that there is enough fixing power to really do a good job though, so secondary effects might be profound relative to any benefit.

PE

 

[removedacct1]

How about a good fixer like tf4? I know its crazy talk but why not use a fixer made for this?

Crazy talk indeed! Madness!!!

 

[removedacct1]

Smells better than fixer?

Not necessarily! I have smelled plenty of mightily offensive shampoos.

 

[jim appleyard]

This is a new one! Give it a try. Make sure the photos you take are of something important like the royal wedding . Let us know how you make out.

 

[abruzzi]

You all have missed to more useful corollary—can I shampoo with my Kodak Rapid Fixer? (It might save a trip to the supermarket.)

 

[removedacct1]

You all have missed to more useful corollary—can I shampoo with my Kodak Rapid Fixer? (It might save a trip to the supermarket.)

CAN you? Yes, you can indeed. SHOULD you? I rather doubt it.

 

[MattKing]

My wife and I were recently looking for chlorine removing clothes washing detergent (not shampoo) - it seems to be harder to find and more expensive than fixer!
The OP seems to enjoy exploring unusual possibilities. All the more power to him/her.
But I think that the answer to all of these sorts of questions has to include: "it depends on what else is in there".
I wonder if anti-dandruff shampoo would cot down on white dust "flakes" in my scans?

 

[Rudeofus]

Anyone questioning the purpose of makeshift fixer: You can trivially bring along photographic paper to make sun prints, but trying to bring a bottle of rapid fixer to a holiday destination may not be such a great idea - in fact you may have to postpone that holiday for a while after your first attempt to board a plane. If one could fix a few sheets with whatever makeshift fixer this forum could come up with, then 5-10€ for three bottles of shampoo or some packs of table salt are not such a high price to pay after all.

 

[logan2z]

You all have missed to more useful corollary—can I shampoo with my Kodak Rapid Fixer? (It might save a trip to the supermarket.)

I may try a hardening fixer. Could keep my hair from getting messed up in a strong wind.

 

[Sirius Glass]

<<Sigh>> Yet another thread about cheaping out on photochemicals by using household products with residues and byproducts that will destroy the film and prints. This will then wander to skipping stop bath because it is just so damned expensive and using dishwashing soap instead of a surfactant like PhotoFlo.

 

[Photo Engineer]

Hmmm, maybe a hardening fixer would keep my hair stuck to my scalp. At my age this does seem to be an ongoing and increasing problem you see.

PE

 

[Sirius Glass]

Hmmm, maybe a hardening fixer would keep my hair stuck to my scalp. At my age this does seem to be an ongoing and increasing problem you see.

PE

The disappearing hair problem does recede with time.

 

[nascarfann]

I vaguely recall ferricyanide being used as an anti-caking agent in some brands of table salt as well; OP might want to check that it's not present in the product he uses as otherwise the approach may be counterproductive.

What would happen if you tried to fix film with salt that contained ferricyanide?

My wife and I were recently looking for chlorine removing clothes washing detergent (not shampoo) - it seems to be harder to find and more expensive than fixer!
The OP seems to enjoy exploring unusual possibilities. All the more power to him/her.
But I think that the answer to all of these sorts of questions has to include: "it depends on what else is in there".
I wonder if anti-dandruff shampoo would cot down on white dust "flakes" in my scans?

Unusual possibilities, yes that is totally me. If you had to describe me, how would you describe me?

 

[koraks]

What would happen if you tried to fix film with salt that contained ferricyanide?

The ferricyanide would bleach the image and provided that the salt would do a proper job at fixing it, that would remove it.

 

[removed account4]

I would use something like selun blue, you'll get the benefit of the thiosulfate and selenium.
A slight problem is it only works if Warren and Goldie are there and your negatives or prints have split ends .
Another problem is your darkroom has to be large enough to handle the understudies ...

 

[Photo Engineer]

Some toothpastes contain Thiocyanate. This is a good fixer, but is probably so low in concentration that it will do virtually nothing.

PE