First time using Lomo Fantome 8

Huss · Jul 24, 2020

I love it.

Unlike the examples on Lomo's website, this film is very fine grained, very sharp, and has a wicked punch! It almost acts like an ortho film. Downside - severe curl so hard to place in a film holder.

Shot with a Nikon F4 in matrix mode at box speed, 50 1.4D (many shots were wide open), Cinestill DF96 Monobath developer.

Donald Qualls · Jul 24, 2020

Whoa! Did you salvage the Altoids tin? Can't let a perfectly good pinhole camera body go to waste...

Huss · Jul 24, 2020

Donald Qualls said:
Whoa! Did you salvage the Altoids tin? Can't let a perfectly good pinhole camera body go to waste...

hah! Whoever dropped that must have been bummed out! Fresh new tin...

Huss · Jul 31, 2020

My Eastman 5234 arrived. Just placing it next to the Lomo Fantome you can see they are different films. Lomo on the left is purple, Eastman on the right is grey/black.
It had been suggested they are the same film.

davela · Aug 11, 2020

Very impressive results! Thanks for sharing work with this exciting new film.

Agulliver · Aug 11, 2020

Those shots look great. You certainly picked the right conditions and subject matter.

Huss · Aug 11, 2020

Thank you for kind comments! I didn't do anything special, but it is interesting how Lomography undersells their products by showing super grainy/foggy etc images. I honestly think they intentionally set the bar low so that if people screw up they are not disappointed!

Agulliver · Aug 12, 2020

Huss said:
Thank you for kind comments! I didn't do anything special, but it is interesting how Lomography undersells their products by showing super grainy/foggy etc images. I honestly think they intentionally set the bar low so that if people screw up they are not disappointed!

I think that their marketing team is not used to selling products to APUG/Photrio types. They now offer some really useful films that aren't full of gimmicks, and they're likely of interest to a different crowd than the lobster or weird effect films.

It is curious. I have a friend who likes to shoot regular B&W film, Foma or Ilford....but for colour she only shoots stuff like Lomograpy and Dubblefilm.

miha · Aug 12, 2020

Agulliver said:
I think that their marketing team is not used to selling products to APUG/Photrio types.

I think it's fair to say that we - the APUG/Photrio types of film shooters - are the minority among film users.

AgX · Aug 12, 2020

Huss said:
Thank you for kind comments! I didn't do anything special, but it is interesting how Lomography undersells their products by showing super grainy/foggy etc images. I honestly think they intentionally set the bar low so that if people screw up they are not disappointed!

Lomography customers to my understanding would be disappointed if films are not grainy.
So from my point of view offering print films is daring

alter ego 6x9 · Aug 19, 2020

I tried Orwo TF12D (sound recording film) which I believe is the same as Fantome. In Rollei Low Contrast developer the contrast is quite ok and it ticks many boxes (emulsion color, being ortho) as a key suspect. And very cheap when in bulk (I paid around 1.5 USD per roll).

Donald Qualls · Aug 19, 2020

That's nice. Reminds me of Copex Rapid in a low contrast developer.

Huss · Aug 19, 2020

alter ego 6x9 said:
I tried Orwo TF12D (sound recording film) which I believe is the same as Fantome. In Rollei Low Contrast developer the contrast is quite ok and it ticks many boxes (emulsion color, being ortho) as a key suspect. And very cheap when in bulk (I paid around 1.5 USD per roll).

That looks great!

Huss · Aug 12, 2021

My latest roll of Fantome 8 says Filmotec Orwo DP31 814333 08A31 on it... results look the same as all my other Fantome 8 shots.

Huss · Aug 12, 2021

Leica R7, 50mm Summilux, Fantome 8 pulled to ISO 6, Cinestill DF96 Monobath

pentaxuser · Aug 12, 2021

Is Fantome 8 ortho? I an not quite clear on this in that I think some posts hint strongly that it is but it would help if this was clear.

Huss, on your fine set of prints there does appear to some colours that look incredibly dark that I assume may not be black in real life such as the dog and the bats but are they red and if not what was red in those shots

Thanks

pentaxuser

Bazza D · Aug 12, 2021

Huss said:
My Eastman 5234 arrived. Just placing it next to the Lomo Fantome you can see they are different films. Lomo on the left is purple, Eastman on the right is grey/black.
It had been suggested they are the same film.

Eastman 5234 would be similar to Orwo DN21 or Lomo Babylon. I am a big fan of Eastman 2234/5324. 2234 just has a different base same emulsion. And right now I have a bulk roll of Orwo DN 21. They are both beautiful films to my eye. Also Orwo lists DN 21/ Lomo Babylon as their equivalent to Eastman 2234/5234.

pentaxuser said:
Is Fantome 8 ortho?

Lomo Fantome/ Orwo DP31 is listing as panchromatic film. However, it is meant to compare with Eastman Fine Grain Duplicating Positive Film 2366/3366 which is blue sensitive film. I think that Fantome can exhibit ortho like qualities. It shoots a lot like ortho film but if you get the balance right can be a normal picture. I guessing it is more sensitive to blue/green but also has the red sensitivity as well. Maybe just not as high up the red scale. I like the film and use like I would an ortho.

Jonno85uk · Aug 13, 2021

pentaxuser said:
Is Fantome 8 ortho? I an not quite clear on this in that I think some posts hint strongly that it is but it would help if this was clear.

If it is DP31, it has a reduced sensitivity to green (i think) and red.

pentaxuser · Aug 13, 2021

Thanks but it would be helpful if we know what the colours were in those pics of Huss. It may well be that it affects green and red although based on the jonno85uk's chart. It looks as if blue/cyan might be most affected then red to some extent

pentaxuser

Huss · Aug 13, 2021

Fantome 8 IS Dp31. It says so on the film strip!

Anything red in the image comes out as black or very dark grey, that's why IMO it behaves like an ortho.

Huss · Aug 13, 2021

Also... in the pic of the bus above, the majority of the bus is pale blue. The paint in the section 'American Classic' is pale pink. The taillights are red.

pentaxuser · Aug 13, 2021

Thanks Huss. I'd say that based on the spectral sensitivily chart above and your reply, we may as well say it is ortho as near as damn it.

I don't think that Greg Davis has done a comparison between Tri-X and Fantome 8 yet but as it clearly is available in the U.S. then hopefully it was one of the films he was able to order for testing so it is on his schedule

pentaxuser

Huss · Aug 13, 2021

It actually makes it a screaming deal for an 'ortho' film. It is $9 for 36xp, while Ilford's Ortho 80 is $13.

Yes it is ISO 6 vs 80, but for me that doesn't matter for how I use it.

Only bummer is it curls like nothing else I've seen, which makes scanning a little fiddly.

Huss · Oct 25, 2022

More Fantome 8 pics, rated at ISO 6 because it is that Orwo film.
Dev’d in Cinestill DF 96.
No issues using an ISO 6 film with my slow 28mm 5.6 lens on a sunny day 1/60 @ f5.6

Huss · Oct 25, 2022

First time using Lomo Fantome 8

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