First Outing with Mamiya C3

[leicarfcam]

I don't think it is better than another lens for random usage except maybe for landscape which is mainly what I use my 55mm for but the 80mm may just be the best close up lens in part because of the wider f/2.8 aperture but the 65mm which has a f/3.5 runs a close second in my opinion..[/QUOTE

A large aperture lens for close up photography in my experience is of no advantage because at such close distances you have to stop it down to f11, f16 or f22 to get enough depth of field to cover the subject.

Sometimes too much depth of field adds too much detail from the surrounding area. Many times I don't want to render the entire scene in focus, just the main subject..

 

[benjiboy]

Sometimes too much depth of field adds too much detail from the surrounding area. Many times I don't want to render the entire scene in focus, just the main subject..[/QUOTE

With a medium format camera at close distances unless you use a small aperture you won't even get all the main subject in acceptable sharp focus.

 

[leicarfcam]

Sometimes too much depth of field adds too much detail from the surrounding area. Many times I don't want to render the entire scene in focus, just the main subject..[/QUOTE

With a medium format camera at close distances unless you use a small aperture you won't even get all the main subject in acceptable sharp focus.

You're not following what I am saying.. It's called selective focus. Many times I don't want the entire subject in sharp focus. You focus on the part you want sharp and let focus fall off..

I see too many close ups today that are too busy because of so much in focus detail..

Why not experiment, you just might like what you get....

 

[benjiboy]

You're not following what I am saying.. It's called selective focus. Many times I don't want the entire subject in sharp focus. You focus on the part you want sharp and let focus fall off..

I see too many close ups today that are too busy because of so much in focus detail..

Why not experiment, you just might like what you get....

I understand selective focus I've been a photographer for sixty three years, and have owned a Mamiya C330 F for more than thirty of them, what I'm trying to tell you is that the depth of field on a Mamiya TLR at close distances with the bellows extended is only millimetres deep, look at the depth of field scales.
http://grahampatterson.home.comcast.net/~grahampatterson/grahamp/mfaq/m_faq.pdf

 

[flavio81]

I understand selective focus I've been a photographer for sixty three years, and have owned a Mamiya C330 F for more than thirty of them, what I'm trying to tell you is that the depth of field on a Mamiya TLR at close distances with the bellows extended is only millimetres deep, look at the depth of field scales.
http://grahampatterson.home.comcast.net/~grahampatterson/grahamp/mfaq/m_faq.pdf

Agree 100%. DOF is very narrow with medium format.

 

[leicarfcam]

I understand selective focus I've been a photographer for sixty three years, and have owned a Mamiya C330 F for more than thirty of them, what I'm trying to tell you is that the depth of field on a Mamiya TLR at close distances with the bellows extended is only millimetres deep, look at the depth of field scales.
http://grahampatterson.home.comcast.net/~grahampatterson/grahamp/mfaq/m_faq.pdf

I agree DOF is narrow with MF but a little bit can make a big difference and the smaller the aperture the more in focus you get regardless.

6x6 film
65mm lens
subject distance 2.50 ft

f-stop=4

Depth of field
Near limit 2.43 ft
Far limit 2.58 ft
Total 0.15 ft

In front of subject 0.07 ft (49%)
Behind subject 0.08 ft (51%)

f-stop=5.6

Depth of field
Near limit 2.4 ft
Far limit 2.61 ft
Total 0.21 ft

In front of subject 0.1 ft (48%)
Behind subject 0.11 ft (52%)

f-stop=8

Depth of field
Near limit 2.36 ft
Far limit 2.66 ft
Total 0.3 ft

In front of subject 0.14 ft (47%)
Behind subject 0.16 ft (53%)

f-stop=11

Depth of field
Near limit 2.31 ft
Far limit 2.73 ft
Total 0.42 ft

In front of subject 0.19 ft (46%)
Behind subject 0.23 ft (54%)

f-stop=16

Depth of field
Near limit 2.23 ft
Far limit 2.84 ft
Total 0.6 ft

In front of subject 0.27 ft (44%)
Behind subject 0.34 ft (56%)

f-stop=22

Depth of field
Near limit 2.14 ft
Far limit 3 ft
Total 0.86 ft

In front of subject 0.36 ft (42%)
Behind subject 0.5 ft (58%)

f-stop=32

Depth of field
Near limit 2.02 ft
Far limit 3.28 ft
Total 1.26 ft

In front of subject 0.48 ft (38%)
Behind subject 0.78 ft (62%)

 

[benjiboy]

I agree DOF is narrow with MF but a little bit can make a big difference and the smaller the aperture the more in focus you get regardless.

6x6 film
65mm lens
subject distance 2.50 ft

f-stop=4

Depth of field
Near limit 2.43 ft
Far limit 2.58 ft
Total 0.15 ft

In front of subject 0.07 ft (49%)
Behind subject 0.08 ft (51%)

f-stop=5.6

Depth of field
Near limit 2.4 ft
Far limit 2.61 ft
Total 0.21 ft

In front of subject 0.1 ft (48%)
Behind subject 0.11 ft (52%)

f-stop=8

Depth of field
Near limit 2.36 ft
Far limit 2.66 ft
Total 0.3 ft

In front of subject 0.14 ft (47%)
Behind subject 0.16 ft (53%)

f-stop=11

Depth of field
Near limit 2.31 ft
Far limit 2.73 ft
Total 0.42 ft

In front of subject 0.19 ft (46%)
Behind subject 0.23 ft (54%)

f-stop=16

Depth of field
Near limit 2.23 ft
Far limit 2.84 ft
Total 0.6 ft

In front of subject 0.27 ft (44%)
Behind subject 0.34 ft (56%)

f-stop=22

Depth of field
Near limit 2.14 ft
Far limit 3 ft
Total 0.86 ft

In front of subject 0.36 ft (42%)
Behind subject 0.5 ft (58%)

f-stop=32

Depth of field
Near limit 2.02 ft
Far limit 3.28 ft
Total 1.26 ft

In front of subject 0.48 ft (38%)
Behind subject 0.78 ft (62%)

2 1/2 feet isn't particularly close, I was talking about much closer than that at a foot or less when the bellows are extended and even the depth of field with the 55 mm lens pair is minimal and you need to stop the lens right down to cover the subject and give a long exposure and a 2.8 lens would be of no use.

 

[leicarfcam]

2 1/2 feet isn't particularly close, I was talking about much closer than that at a foot or less when the bellows are extended and even the depth of field with the 55 mm lens pair is minimal and you need to stop the lens right down to cover the subject.

Since you want to argue "no difference" I'm not wasting my time on this subject any more. Lets just say I know what I am talking about, I've done it at a number of different distances and apertures and there is a difference as seen in the actual finished image..