First experience with Kodak Vision3 500T cine film

[wblynch]

Remjet also serves as a light proof backing when handling a 'daylight' reel.

 

[StoneNYC]

Remjet also serves as a light proof backing when handling a 'daylight' reel.

Daylight reel?

 

[AgX]

You wouldn't want to expose movie film at high speeds for slow motion shots without remjet.

The remjet backing is much "slippery-er" than the film base.

It also prevents static discharge.

See post #9 and #15 in this thread: (there was a url link here which no longer exists)

There are alternative means to reduce friction and static charges.

In camera exposure you got high max. speeds after accelaration during Frame Transport.
But print films lack rem-jet. And single frame exposure cannot be excluded. And even with continuous contact printing there is no rule to keep the nominal frame rate.

 

[wblynch]

Made with solid sides and center to facilitate loading MP cameras outside a darkroom. Some people call them daylight loads.

 

[StoneNYC]

Made with solid sides and center to facilitate loading MP cameras outside a darkroom. Some people call them daylight loads.

Interesting, I've been on well over 100 TV/Movie sets and never saw that, not all were film but many were.

Anyway thanks for the interesting knowledge.

 

[wildbill]

Interesting, I've been on well over 100 TV/Movie sets and never saw that, not all were film but many were.

Anyway thanks for the interesting knowledge.

Daylight loads are made primarily for Eyemo crash cams. 100' of film on a metal spindle just like those used in a bolex but wide enough for 35mm film. Even shows shot on HD use Eyemos since they don't quit working like a video camera when hit by a car, etc.

 

[AgX]

Not only available with 100' but also with 150' of film, thus a bit wider than the 16mm reel. But still similar to the 16mm spool.

In the past there even was a completely closed 35mm spool. Thus a cassette. One used two of them instead of the magazine of today.

 

[StoneNYC]

Cool stuff guys...

 

[Arctic amateur]

Made with solid sides and center to facilitate loading MP cameras outside a darkroom. Some people call them daylight loads.

Light slipping through the sprocket holes wasn't an issue?

 

[AgX]

Perforations do overlap. Thus after a few more windings there will be sufficient cover as with the plain areas.
Light penetrating through a perforation will in the layers to follow expose only the edge of the film, as Long the film is tightly wound.
A movie takes so much film that advancing film to form a safety leader (resp. the corresponding end) will not matter either.

 

[StoneNYC]

Perforations do overlap. Thus after a few more windings there will be sufficient cover as with the plain areas.
Light penetrating through a perforation will in the layers to follow expose only the edge of the film, as Long the film is tightly wound.
A movie takes so much film that advancing film to form a safety leader (resp. the corresponding end) will not matter either.

Of course, if you had a really important screen and ended up being a rollout you would end up screwing yourself over using that kind of film reel...

 

[AgX]

All small size 16mm and nearly all Standard-8mm camera take those spools (not reels).

And you can still load the camera in the dark if you like.

 

[volver]

As promised, here are some results of shots in artificial light.
I dont know why, maybe due to the fact that the film was produced in 2008, but the best photos were made within 160-250 ISO range (without 85b filter), film was developed in freshly mixed chemicals. I was mainly shooting at 500 ISO, so most of shots were underexposed.

Click for hi-res

ISO 500, summicron rigid


ISO 320, summicron rigid


ISO 500, summicron rigid


ISO 250, summicron rigid


In the last two photos u can see that at ISO 250 the grain is less pronounced, better shadows details and better skin tone.

 

[Oxleyroad]

I think you have done a good job with this film. I use this film at EI250 for color and at EI125 for B&W reversal shots.

(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

 

[Xmas]

Of course, if you had a really important screen and ended up being a rollout you would end up screwing yourself over using that kind of film reel...

No if you overshoot a roll you remove the reel in a dark bag. And reshoot like you would with a normal cassette.

You might have two good takes to splice up. The dark bag will protect the last frames...

But a good cam person will swap reels earlier than that.

Short ends are good.

 

[StoneNYC]

No if you overshoot a roll you remove the reel in a dark bag. And reshoot like you would with a normal cassette.

You might have two good takes to splice up. The dark bag will protect the last frames...

But a good cam person will swap reels earlier than that.

Short ends are good.

I've seen so many rollouts, it's usually the director who's in the moment and doesn't want to wait in between takes for a mag change. Lol

If you have a dark bag, why bother with this daylight change at all?

I know this is probably theory but it just seems silly. Ah well. It's not important.

 

[Xmas]

Yes directors can be motivated but the dark bag would only be necessary on an overshoot normally swap reels like 120 film, nearly.

But the cam guy is supposed to do short ends instead.

 

[wblynch]

I think the cam guys pretty much know what they're doing. They seem to be good at it.

 

[volver]

Just found out that ecn-2 process is done at 41 degrees Celsius vs 37,8 of c-41.
should the development time be corrected one to what extent?

 

[Xmas]

The ECN and C-41 developers are different so temperature is the least of your worries...

If you like your results Id keep everthing fixed.

 

[Chris Livsey]

Those shooting this, or the remjet removed version, are you shooting in daylight without filter or with 85b or as Kodak data sheet recomends an 85 filter?

 

[volver]

In daylight I shoot with 85b filter.