What is the difference between the AP and the Paterson reels? I see that it’s easier to load the film (though I don’t have problems feeding the reel with the film) but it seems to me that from then it’s all the same. I might be not right though.
What is the difference between the AP and the Paterson reels? I see that it’s easier to load the film (though I don’t have problems feeding the reel with the film) but it seems to me that from then it’s all the same. I might be not right though.AP reels from Fotoimpex are at a great price and with no tank needed to purchase. Their shipping should be flat 10 EUR to you and they have good prices on film/chemicals, just saying. Adox CHS 100 II is a great B&W film too.
Yes, that’s my question also. As I said I tried it with developed film and it was all good inside and outside the bag.Don't think bag is the problem. Don't you have developed film already? If you try it in daylight and it works, the chances of going in the bag where it won't are not good.
There is too little difference between developed and undeveloped film, how it feels, or how it can get messed up with moisture present.Yes, that’s my question also. As I said I tried it with developed film and it was all good inside and outside the bag.
There is too little difference between developed and undeveloped film, how it feels, or how it can get messed up with moisture present.
I think this calls for that blond from CSI Miami, she might be able to figure out what's wrong, or not
There is too little difference between developed and undeveloped film, how it feels, or how it can get messed up with moisture present.
I think this calls for that blond from CSI Miami, she might be able to figure out what's wrong, or not
I started to get sticking reels recently. I soaked them in white vinegar for 30 minutes and then brushed them with a tooth brush under hot water. Everything is smooth as silk now.
sorry Matt, Never cleaned a reel in my life, pencil every 4 or 5 films, load develop stop fixer wash final rinse and wetting agent remove film and hang up to dry, put reels aside to dry, been developing film for 60 years, and haven't had a stuck film for 59 years following aboveFilm has gelatin on it.
Undeveloped film has soft gelatin on it.
Soft gelatin is sticky.
Try cleaning the reels
OK, just many have never did pencil trick and can claim exactly same outcome.sorry Matt, Never cleaned a reel in my life, pencil every 4 or 5 films, load develop stop fixer wash final rinse and wetting agent remove film and hang up to dry, put reels aside to dry, been developing film for 60 years, and haven't had a stuck film for 59 years following above
sorry Matt, Never cleaned a reel in my life, pencil every 4 or 5 films, load develop stop fixer wash final rinse and wetting agent remove film and hang up to dry, put reels aside to dry, been developing film for 60 years, and haven't had a stuck film for 59 years following above
Yes, I can do that but I don’t want to sacrifice a roll so I need to wait for the next time I finished it.So if I understand the OP correctly he has both cleaned the reel and used a pencil on it. Previous loading was no problem. He has suddenly had a film sticking problem so clearly something changed but what that is remains unclear.
He has tried developed film on the reel and that was OK. So it appears to be undeveloped film that is the problem which appears to rule out any problem with the reel.
Moisture in Budapest is not an issue. He has dry hands.
Laci, I have run out of ideas. One last try from me and I mean this in the honest sense of having nothing else to offer and not of getting annoyed with your reports of failure
Is there any possibility that you can find a dark cupboard such as a broom cupboard or windowless room and when dark attempt to load an undeveloped film. If that is not possible can you try loading with the reel under a heavy blanket when it is dark. It might even be possible with a big blanket to kneel with the blanket over your head and the bottom of it touching the ground and then trying to load the film
That way we may eliminate the problem of sweaty hands in a changing bag. I know you don't think that yours hand sweat but it can be surprising how quickly a changing bag can make your hands sweat
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I can't see doing the pencil trick. Why would you put something insoluble in your developer? Seems like you'd end up with dust or scratches on the negative.
hold the reels gently, with your finger tips if possible.
the reels must be really bone dry or this will happen. after processing and cleaning, leave them drying overnight, knock them on a towel and blow dry them before next use.Hi everyone,
Lately I’ve issues loading 35mm film in Paterson tank system 4. I’ve loaded countless rolls without any problems and it’s the third roll I consider give it to a lab to do it for me. I just don’t know why I failed to succeed.
It’s just getting harder and harder to turn and then the film just stucks approx. half way and it spits out the film where the metal balls are.
As I have a one reel tank and a three reel tank version I could try it with different reels with no success. Everytime it was the same.
I use a large changing bag and I thought it might be the tight space which could twist the negs and it somehow causes this. But why now? Why not two months ago or a year ago? I’ve also done that I stood up so the bag was hanging from my arm and there was enough space inside the bag for the reel just like how I’d do in a darkroom. All the same, just stucks and that’s it.
I shaked the reel and checked the outer parts if the film would stuck somewhere so I could move it just by tapping it a bit but no.
Then where the strip begins I cut pieces out so it was rather a triangle then a rectangle shape so to avoid the possibility to stuck again because I thought that it might be the side of the strip. Nothing helped.
I tested it with developed negs and it was all fine. I put this already developed film in the changing bag to simulate the same situation and it was all fine. I’ve done it approx. 3-4 times without any probs.
The I tried it with the neg I’m about to develop and it was again no success.
Is there any difference between the developed and the just exposed neg that affects something? I mean the developed neg is fixed and there might be something different (I don’t know what) like the plastic strip becomes harder after it has been developed so it’s easier to load in the reel, but it doesn’t seem likely. Or I don’t know I’m just blindly guessing.
I’ve read on forums that if the reel is not completely dry it can produce this phenomena. But my reels are bone dry.
I’ve also heard that I should try running a sharp pencil around the groves of the reel and the graphite from the pencil lead ''greases'' the groves of the reel and film slides in very easily. I haven’t tried this.
I’ve also read that I should get a metal reel and problem is gone which seems okay and probably I will go with that if that’s true but still what is this? Why I succeeded so many times and what’s wrong now?
In 59n years it has NEVER made any difference to my processing, both professionally or ans an amateur, and by far I am not alone, there are many more, maybe not on this site, but many many more photographers over my lifetime that follow my practice than follow yoursI clean the reels after each you. That is what is called good lab technique.
To my mind this thread is now getting to the point of a joke, the OP asked for help, many of us have given help, now it is a case i do this and i don't do this, what works for many like me doesn't please many others, I am outOK, just many have never did pencil trick and can claim exactly same outcome.
Or it is now about pencil or not? I've never heard of pencil until I read this thread. Likely because I've had no problems once I started my own routine. So it is not about pencil way or no way.To my mind this thread is now getting to the point of a joke, the OP asked for help, many of us have given help, now it is a case i do this and i don't do this, what works for many like me doesn't please many others, I am out
Not once have I said you were wrong, including in my last post, nor am I going to try it. Never had a problem doing what I've been doing, no pencil. This isn't about shaken or stirred either.Untill you try it my way how can you tell me that I am wrong, same as I have not tried it your way and I am not telling you that your way is wrong, as far as reels go, I am using reels that are 40 years old, apart from washing the film in the reels nothing else is done, film out and put aside ton dry, every so often pencil around the groves, film slips in, I don't scrub them with toothbrush's Ect, never have and never will as after 59 years of not bothering, and getting good films, I can't see the point, after a professional photographer in 1960 taught me the trick, I found more photographers did it my way and were happy than were not, but so what who really cares, maybe it an American thing compared to a Jersey, or British thing, but 3 pages on how to load a film into a reel, crazy
There is plenty of opinion supporting/refuting the science of shaken v stirred too!This isn't about shaken or stirred either.
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