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I find it interesting that some people keep breaking out the "it's just a tool" strawman argument. Last time I checked our eyes don't clip highlights when the scene is too bright.
It's not just about resolution. When will people get that through their heads?
Film has a much better dynamic range than a CCD chip. However, our eyes has a much wider range than both film and CCD chips. So artist using film or DV cameras must know the dynamic range of the media being used. People that shoot DV has to work harder to keep highlights from blowing out which is much more work. Yes it's just a tool, but artist and technicians must know the limitations of the tool and work with them. Above all, don't let the technique get in the way of the artistry.
That's your opinion.I dont want to be offensive, but your post comes across as offensive,
That's right.it is an opinion,
That's your opinion.an incorrect opinion,
He said he tried digital, committing time and money to it, but went back to film. He expressed an opinion based on that experience. How is that biased and elitist?it is biased and elitist and shows everything wrong in an attitude a film user could have.
Good. But for him it was.I shoot film and digital, I dont feel neither is a waste of time or money
He didn't make it up. It's a fairly common term. In context, he's referring to the camera, not the medium."DigiSnapper" please don't make up terms to degrade someone else's medium.
That's your opinion. What he said was his opinion. My opinion is that you're not understanding what he's really saying."Doesn't provide the true essence of photography" this is rubbish I'm afraid to say.
It's like saying Paint X or Brush A doesn't provide the true essence of painting like Paint Y or Brush B, it's just rubbish.
I don't know how it occurs before equipment and medium. Without them it doesn't exist.Photography occurs before equipment and medium,
He tried it, didn't like it. Having tried it, dismissing it in an opinion based on his experience is his prerogative.dismissing it like that is both wrong and elitist.
So a print we see on a gallery wall is not a photograph, but the negative we never see is?A print (inkjet, dyesub, optical wetprint or laser wetprint) or image on a screen are not photographs, they are reproductions of photographs.
Film? You mean it reproduces what comes through the lens? I'd call it a method of recording rather than reproduction.Film, printing (whatever type), and scanning, digital display, are all reproduction methods.
I think that falls outside the usual meaning of the word "photograph".I can shoot photographs without film, paper or digital. As an image in my mind may also be a reproduction of a photograph, that I saw with the lenses in my head and captured on my retinae, and I can recall that for later viewing, which is a reproduction - I just can't create a good reprodution for anyone else's viewing.
I suppose you are referring to equipment and media. Some people produce work which strongly blurs the line between photography and some other form of art, throwing into question whether it even is photography.All photography is equal,
OK. But remember this is APUG, where most have chosen to use film instead of digital because of what film offers that digital doesn't. The statements should be viewed in that context.there is no segregation of pure photography between film, digital or otherwise, referring to film photography or digital photography is a reference to the equipment and workflow someone has chosen in order to reproduce their conception.
I think he was speaking for himself, not in an absolute sense. He went digital, became unhappy with it, switched back. Calling film the "pure essence" of photography doesn't mean that all other forms are totally invalid. He's a 4x5 user: he could have said the same thing about large format and I, a user of 35mm and medium format, would not have been bothered by it. I know what he means.Implying or saying that the equipment, process and methodologies of one photographer is somehow less photography than another (or that it does not provide the true essence of photography) is totally invalid, the very idea is not even worth entertaining.
And if we could just figure out what that same way is, a lot of discussion could be avoided!As I said before, all photography is equal, it is all created in exactly the same way with no differences.
I agree there.The amount of work gone into it, and value of the art, journalism or purpose may greatly differ, but this is not the point at all.
I think that's well understood by most people, certainly the majority of those here.The various types of luminscence, incandescence, and reflectance and translucency of objects remain identical for users of film or digital equipment, as does electromagnetic radiation. Physical law doesn't suddenly [change] for anybody's preference.
Is that what you meant by "occurs before"? Just one problem. A photograph is not a concept. It is an expression of a concept. If you have a concept but never do anything with it, no photograph results.A photograph is conceived (a conceived drawing/image of light), therefore it is a concept. Not a print, not an image on screen, not a strip of negatives, nor a memory card.
But it can alter the ability to express it. I've never been able to take decent macro with an Instamatic. View cameras are not prevalent at sports events. Wall size murals are seldom made from a Minox.Equipment cannot alter the essence of your conception.
It's like saying Paint X or Brush A doesn't provide the true essence of painting like Paint Y or Brush B, it's just rubbish.
Yeah. I was annoying. Too bad people have to inject "style" into everything.:rolleyes:That constantly moving camera made me barf my morning eggs...
I dont want to be offensive, but your post comes across as offensive, it is an opinion, an incorrect opinion, it is biased and elitist and shows everything wrong in an attitude a film user could have.
One problem - film is part of the technique. Non linear response of the medium and how that affects the final output. All part of it.
The video is embarrassing.
How many times can a person mention 'film' and still breathe? I would expect if I show this vid to a 'prospect' it would not result in a compelling reason to shoot film. It just sounds like Kodak made him say the word every 5 seconds.
Yes, if you look very closely you can catch a glimpse of the blue-steel revolver that Kodak is holding to the back of Sam Bayer's head.
"DigiSnapper" please don't make up terms to degrade someone else's medium.
"DigiSnapper" is a technical term for a non-technical user of a "digi-thingie".
Steve
I do use a digital device in my photographic pursuits when necessary.
When someone rags on me for using film, I use a middle digit, upraised.
Got nowhere else to go.Very Nice LXDude !
Will you be here all week ?
Ron
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I do use a digital device in my photographic pursuits when necessary.
When someone rags on me for using film, I use a middle digit, upraised.
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