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[Roger Cole]

If that were true, then entertainers billed at “magicians” would have no audience.

Thank you! Someone gets it!

 

[Roger Cole]

Maybe a more accurate word would be “wonder” as in a “sense of wonder” rather than “magic” to describe the expirience, like when looking at a sunset, an image from space, or other image that is commonly photographed. Heck, I still get a “sense of wonder” when I flick a switch on the wall and an electronic bulb lights up the room. I hope to never become so cynical that that leaves me.

I think Sal just has a modern knee jerk adverse reaction to the word "magic." It's one that I personally love and in this case agree it should be equated to those. Science and "magic" are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Roger Cole]

Oh yes. Fax too. Damn doctors always want to use fax because of US privacy laws. They refuse to use email. Really dumb.

This is changing. I had a total hip replacement this past summer (absolutely miraculous results!) and everything was handled via email with secure online document signings. But you're right, way too many businesses kept to fax long after it was a dinosaur.

 

[Sal Santamaura]

I think Sal just has a modern knee jerk adverse reaction to the word "magic." It's one that I personally love and in this case agree it should be equated to those. Science and "magic" are not mutually exclusive.

"Magic" is a word the ignorant audience uses to describe what performers they're watching do. Those performers are properly termed illusionists. The illusions they perpetrate rely on science. Anyone who understands the science used by illusionists knows there's no such thing as "magic." Ask Penn Jillette.

You could switch to RC paper and use Ilford's 3-tray method (below) to wash them.
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With all that water savings, you can shoot more.

That's what I do. When I really want to save water (at the rate things are going, everyone in our area will need to even more, and soon), I shoot digitally and print inkjet.

What does the year have to do with emotion?...

Oh, just that by now humans have had centuries to take in the scientific explanations of natural phenomena and stop getting all choked up when seeing them.

...Deception has nothing at all to do with it. That's like saying that once you understand what causes a rainbow, or a brightly colored flower, it ceases to be beautiful. I can understand the process on a scientific level and still experience it emotionally as what I call "magical."...

"Beautiful" is a word that describes something's physical appearance. "Magical" refers to something unexplainable. Unfortunately, people use them synonymously. Communication is challenging when the meaning of words is not commonly understood. See, for example, "art."

 

[faberryman]

"Magic" is a word the ignorant audience uses to describe what performers they're watching do. Those performers are properly termed illusionists. The illusions they perpetrate rely on science. Anyone who understands the science used by illusionists knows there's no such thing as "magic." Ask Penn Jillette.

That's what I do. When I really want to save water (at the rate things are going, everyone in our area will need to even more, and soon), I shoot digitally and print inkjet.

Oh, just that by now humans have had centuries to take in the scientific explanations of natural phenomena and stop getting all choked up when seeing them.

"Beautiful" is a word that describes something's physical appearance. "Magical" refers to something unexplainable. Unfortunately, people use them synonymously. Communication is challenging when the meaning of words is not commonly understood. See, for example, "art."

Perhaps when people use the word "magic", they are not using it literally. Just a thought.

 

[Huss]

"Magic" is a word the ignorant audience uses to describe what performers they're watching do. Those performers are properly termed illusionists. The illusions they perpetrate rely on science. Anyone who understands the science used by illusionists knows there's no such thing as "magic." Ask Penn Jillette.



That's what I do. When I really want to save water (at the rate things are going, everyone in our area will need to even more, and soon), I shoot digitally and print inkjet.



Oh, just that by now humans have had centuries to take in the scientific explanations of natural phenomena and stop getting all choked up when seeing them.



"Beautiful" is a word that describes something's physical appearance. "Magical" refers to something unexplainable. Unfortunately, people use them synonymously. Communication is challenging when the meaning of words is not commonly understood. See, for example, "art."

I can tell Sal is a religious man.

 

[Sal Santamaura]

Perhaps when people use the word "magic", they are not using it literally. Just a thought.

Perhaps when people don't use words literally, they're failing to communicate effectively. Perhaps an Internet forum plagued by ineffective communication falls short of what it could be.

I can tell Sal is a religious man.

It is my understanding that religious discussion is prohibited on PHOTRIO. If a moderator indicates I'm wrong, I'll respond to your assessment. Otherwise, ...

 

[Huss]

Perhaps when people don't use words literally, they're failing to communicate effectively. Perhaps an Internet forum plagued by ineffective communication falls short of what it could be.



It is my understanding that religious discussion is prohibited on PHOTRIO. If a moderator indicates I'm wrong, I'll respond to your assessment. Otherwise, ...

Be a Pastafarian like me.. our deity is the Flying Spaghetti Monster with his noodly appendages. Our heaven is full of beer fountains and strippers.

 

[Sirius Glass]

The Rams came to L.A. twice. They started in Cleveland, were in L.A. for a long time and then left in 1995 for St. Louis. They came back in 2016 and I'm sure a lot of money was doled out to get them back.

At least the second time, I did not have to pay for it for years.

 

[MattKing]

Every once in a while we get a Breatharian dropping in here, but they don't last long.
They also rarely have much energy for photography.
Sal must have been really fun when this song started playing on the radio:

 

[Sirius Glass]

...

What on earth this has to do with homeless people utterly baffles me.

Well you are not alone. The VA taking the homeless veterans on their campus in tents for now and buildings soon to follow removed many from the immediate areas, but that is just a small part of the bigger problem. Interestingly it turns out that many of our homeless had been married for decades and owned homes when their spouses came down with cancer or some other life threatening disease which took there spouse, their life savings and their houses and left them with a mental condition rendering them unable to cope with their present situation. Quite sad.

 

[Truzi]

"Magic" is a word the ignorant audience uses to describe what performers they're watching do. Those performers are properly termed illusionists. The illusions they perpetrate rely on science. Anyone who understands the science used by illusionists knows there's no such thing as "magic." Ask Penn Jillette.



That's what I do. When I really want to save water (at the rate things are going, everyone in our area will need to even more, and soon), I shoot digitally and print inkjet.



Oh, just that by now humans have had centuries to take in the scientific explanations of natural phenomena and stop getting all choked up when seeing them.



"Beautiful" is a word that describes something's physical appearance. "Magical" refers to something unexplainable. Unfortunately, people use them synonymously. Communication is challenging when the meaning of words is not commonly understood. See, for example, "art."

Interestingly, magicians/illusionists/fakirs/wizards etc often used science before people understood it - like magnetism, for example. These people often didn't truly understand it either, but knew how to utilize it. Now "magic" is more a euphemism to describe something either unknown to the viewer, or to describe feelings evoked.

I seriously doubt anyone on this BBS really uses the word "magic" as you suggest, just as no one likely uses "shoot" literally to mean fire a projectile at film (thought that may make a good monthly shooting assignment).

The terms Magic and Magician are still used within the trade. I was a Magician. I performed "magic" in high school and early college. Nothing grand, just parties, classrooms, and small church-basement-stage type affairs - close-up to Parlor sized "tricks." "Trick" is an awkward word for us, but we generally reserve "illusion" things larger than a "parlor tricks," and illusions function in a manor different than what would be colloquially described as a "trick." I had very few things I would describe as illusions - perhaps some Black Art items (please, no discussion of "art," that is it's proper term among magicians... I mean illusionists).

Likewise, most prefer "Magician," saving "Illusionist" for those who solely perform large stage illusions. Others were turned off to the word because of Doug Henning's use of it (we liked him, just got annoyed constantly hearing "It's an Illuuuusion."). Often it is nothing more than sounding better by adding a air of legitimacy, like "Rich Corinthian" Leather.

The terms are colloquial and have evolved over time for various reasons (not unlike "shoot" and "capture" in photography).

Since you mention Penn Gillette (who does use the words "Magic" and "Magician" (unlike Teller)) I'll mention James Randi, who liked to call himself many things, including a Conjuror. There is even an old photo of him by a sign in front of his house that read, "James Randi, Charlatan."

Genii uses Conjuror... and Magic/Magician. I used to have a subscription:
geniionline.com

Other links:
magicsam.com
magician.org

Be a Pastafarian like me.. our deity is the Flying Spaghetti Monster with his noodly appendages. Our heaven is full of beer fountains and strippers.

I still prefer the giraffe that drinks water at night (refer to James Randi).

 

[Pieter12]

At least the second time, I did not have to pay for it for years.

Believe me, we're paying one way or another.

 

[Pieter12]

Be a Pastafarian like me.. our deity is the Flying Spaghetti Monster with his noodly appendages. Our heaven is full of beer fountains and strippers.

 

[Pieter12]

All this "magic" talk is hype. A photochemical process is science, not magic.

One of my favorite quotes is from the mathematician Gregory Chaitlin, “Science is the same idea as magic: there are hidden things behind everyday appearances. Everyday appearance is not the real reality.”





Pieter de Koninck

 

[Sirius Glass]

Believe me, we're paying one way or another.

Not directly. Traffic, infrastructure improvement, et al.

 

[faberryman]

Perhaps when people don't use words literally, they're failing to communicate effectively. Perhaps an Internet forum plagued by ineffective communication falls short of what it could be.

Here is an interesting scientific paper on the use of metaphor, a non-literal form of communication.

https://groups.psych.northwestern.edu/gentner/papers/BowdleGentner05.pdf

I think the non-literal use of words makes the language richer. Comprehension of the non-literal use of words of course depends on the erudition of the reader.

 

[Pieter12]

Not directly. Traffic, infrastructure improvement, et al.

We are so off-topic here, but this is from a L.A. Times piece from 2015:

“There will be no public dollars, no taxpayer dollars used for this project,” he said. “The entire project has been privately capitalized and is being privately funded.”

The nuance between that statement — similar claims were made by Inglewood Mayor James Butts — and tax breaks that could reach $100 million lies in the fine print of a 185-page initiative plan filed by the developers earlier this month. It includes two paragraphs of how Inglewood would eventually reimburse the project for the costs of roadwork, utility work and public parks on the nearly 300-acre site. Meany estimated those costs at $60 million. The city would also reimburse costs of security, medical services and shuttles to off-site parking during stadium events, which Butts estimated at about $8 million a year.

 

[Huss]

Every once in a while we get a Breatharian dropping in here, but they don't last long.
They also rarely have much energy for photography.
Sal must have been really fun when this song started playing on the radio:

Whoa, How they do that? Magic?

 

[VinceInMT]

Back to the “magic” in photography, I read somewhere that the camera obscura was seen as a form of “magic,” or, worse, witchcraft/

 

[VinceInMT]

I have a tube tester floating around. Don't know why, aside from my guitar amp and an old radio I never had a use for tubes.

I have a couple of them, you know, for back up. Did any older consumer photographic equipment use tubes?

When I worked in a photo lab back in the 70s, I think our Kodak 8S printers still had tubes.

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

Capturing a fraction of a second of God's time in a camera is pretty magical.

 

[Huss]

Capturing a fraction of a second of God's time in a camera is pretty magical.

She would be proud.

 

[Cholentpot]

I have a couple of them, you know, for back up. Did any older consumer photographic equipment use tubes?

When I worked in a photo lab back in the 70s, I think our Kodak 8S printers still had tubes.

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Home I grew up in had a few of those old radios. We never managed to track the gremlins down that kept them from working.

She would be proud.

Are you assuming gender?

 

[Sirius Glass]

She would be proud.

Home I grew up in had a few of those old radios. We never managed to track the gremlins down that kept them from working.


Are you assuming gender?

How about gender neutral.