Film from Italy -- Ferrania starting production 2014

[StoneNYC]

I noticed they said "for printing on reversal papers" as well in the documentation. Do you think they are planning to come out with print paper for this?


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[Prest_400]

I noticed they said "for printing on reversal papers" as well in the documentation. Do you think they are planning to come out with print paper for this?

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Notice they posted "just for reference" the tech sheet.
The RMS of 13 called my attention; Higher than RSX200 (12) and Provia 400X (11). Not a criticism, just something curious and interpreting things by numbers can be a no-no, in the pub they base it as "diffuse granularity".

Positioning a new Pos-Pos printing paper/process seems tough; Also, not on their roadmap.

 

[wblynch]

They need sensible pricing.

 

[StoneNYC]

Notice they posted "just for reference" the tech sheet.
The RMS of 13 called my attention; Higher than RSX200 (12) and Provia 400X (11). Not a criticism, just something curious and interpreting things by numbers can be a no-no, in the pub they base it as "diffuse granularity".

Positioning a new Pos-Pos printing paper/process seems tough; Also, not on their roadmap.

Gotcha,

Thanks, well ill keep scanning then...


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[miha]

And I'll keep projecting...

 

[cmacd123]

I noticed they said "for printing on reversal papers" as well in the documentation.

That data sheet was issued in 2000 - thirteen years ago. Back then there WERE reversal Colour papers. Printing commercially these days is generally by methods we don't think about on APUG, and Positive or Negative is just the flip of a button.

 

[Roger Cole]

That data sheet was issued in 2000 - thirteen years ago. Back then there WERE reversal Colour papers. Printing commercially these days is generally by methods we don't think about on APUG, and Positive or Negative is just the flip of a button.

"Are forbidden to talk about" not "don't think about." At least I personally don't obey thought police.

 

[StoneNYC]

"Are forbidden to talk about" not "don't think about." At least I personally don't obey thought police.

Agreed, stay out of my head!!

Also, the Positive IS the end product, the print isn't... so technically, once you've developed the transparency, any "hybrid" work is ok according to the APUG rules ...so scanning your transparency to print it is A-OK especially since NEW papers/chems aren't being made... hehe, I should have been a lawyer...

Also I didn't notice that date, I thought this was the NEW version, but I guess it's the old one they are basing it off of but still have made improvements to this one.. ?

 

[lxdude]

Agreed, stay out of my head!!

Also, the Positive IS the end product, the print isn't... so technically, once you've developed the transparency, any "hybrid" work is ok according to the APUG rules ...so scanning your transparency to print it is A-OK especially since NEW papers/chems aren't being made... hehe, I should have been a lawyer...

One word. Internegative.

 

[StoneNYC]

One word. Internegative.

That's still not the final product, the final project is the transparency.


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[lxdude]

True dat. Though most transparencies made by professionals were made with the intention of a printed final output, so I would say that the definition of "final" is debatable. I would rather call the transparency the completed product.

 

[Roger Cole]

One word. Internegative.

It's certainly POSSIBLE, and has advantages and some people are doing it. But the challenges and learning curve are certainly more than Ilfochrome or Type R were and more than scanning and printing, at least for anyone who already knows the basis of scanning, post manipulating and printing anything.

 

[Prest_400]

There's an interview in Japancamerahunter:
http://www.japancamerahunter.com/2013/08/film-news-ferrania-is-back-exclusive-interview/

 

[lxdude]

It's certainly POSSIBLE, and has advantages and some people are doing it. But the challenges and learning curve are certainly more than Ilfochrome or Type R were and more than scanning and printing, at least for anyone who already knows the basis of scanning, post manipulating and printing anything.

I never did my own color printing, but my printer in the 70's and 80's preferred internegatives to having to contrast mask Cibachrome, and neither of us really liked the type R of that time. His 35mm internegatives of 35mm slides lost some detail, but medium format internegatives held up very well. One of the issues he had with Cibachrome was the loss of delicate color, for example faint pinks that would go white. I don't know if things got better since then, as I stopped getting prints from slides, preferring to just project.
I did love some Cibachromes I had made, but others were just more intense than what I wanted. That is, it sort of amped up softer images.

Anyway, without type R or Ilfochrome, internegatives are still a viable method to print slides if scanning is not desired.

 

[StoneNYC]

There's an interview in Japancamerahunter:
http://www.japancamerahunter.com/2013/08/film-news-ferrania-is-back-exclusive-interview/

I like that at the end he mentioned his personal favorite for reversal 127 agreed!

 

[Roger Cole]

I never did my own color printing, but my printer in the 70's and 80's preferred internegatives to having to contrast mask Cibachrome, and neither of us really liked the type R of that time. His 35mm internegatives of 35mm slides lost some detail, but medium format internegatives held up very well. One of the issues he had with Cibachrome was the loss of delicate color, for example faint pinks that would go white. I don't know if things got better since then, as I stopped getting prints from slides, preferring to just project.
I did love some Cibachromes I had made, but others were just more intense than what I wanted. That is, it sort of amped up softer images.

Anyway, without type R or Ilfochrome, internegatives are still a viable method to print slides if scanning is not desired.

Internegatives are certainly viable. My point was that successfully making them and printing from them can be more difficult.

I'm not sure it's THAT difficult though. I've thought about picking up an old slide duplicator and using it to shoot dupes of slides on neg film. But there are color balance issues, color temperature issues with your light source (both needing filtration) and you pick up contrast, for which I think some people preflash the film and... yeah, not nearly as simple as Ilfochrome (or type R for that matter.)

 

[Ektagraphic]

This will be very interesting to follow. I wonder what the pricing will be. Did Ferrania ever make papers?

 

[railwayman3]

This will be very interesting to follow. I wonder what the pricing will be. Did Ferrania ever make papers?

I've a few old B&W prints (probably 1950's) on paper with the Ferrania logo printed on the back. No idea what kind of paper or the original source of the prints.

 

[abeku]

This will be very interesting to follow. I wonder what the pricing will be. Did Ferrania ever make papers?

Yes, they did. I have a package of Ferrania Algol - all severely fogged, unfortunately

 

[Aldo M.]

I have some photos of my grandfather during the Second World War, and a postcard with a portrait of his first command (= Carabinieri police) on paper Ferrania.
I also found this .... provided the Italian army (pre republic ... so royal army).






I use B/W ... for me is more important paper and the famous Pancro P30 film .

Post scriptum about quality :these pictures have suffered from the war , 70 years of neglect, but they are still perfect!

 

[Ektagraphic]

That's very interesting. Thanks for sharing! Did they make paper in the the more recent past? I guess what I am wondering is does Ferrania have the machinery in that factory to make paper. I would like to also note that they did mention in an interview that they have 220 capability.

 

[AgX]

This will be very interesting to follow. I wonder what the pricing will be. Did Ferrania ever make papers?

Yes.

 

[eddyd]

Holgadirect.com sells solaris film, which is ferrania I believe.

 

[AgX]

But "old" film from Ferrania no new make frome Film Ferrania.

 

[clayne]

Better than no film isn't it?