Film from Italy -- Ferrania starting production 2014

[Tom Kershaw]

I've used Kodak TMY-2 in 35mm which gives very impressive results.

Tom

 

[Xmas]

I think this shows that there is still a healthy film market, and i think we have seen most of the dip, and the market will probably stay around the level it is now, possibly increase with the way lomography is going.
The film coater that Film Ferrania has probably will do them for years to come without any worries about increase in demand.

http://investor.kodak.com/secfiling.cfm?filingID=31235-14-14

dip...increase in demand...?

My local c41 lab was a lomoshop it closed last month my chums who are going digital are still giving me things last was a daylight loader.

 

[Xmas]

I've used Kodak TMY-2 in 35mm which gives very impressive results.

Tom

Hi Tom

The only comparable is Delta400.

Or BW400CN or XP2+ if you need C41.

Noel

 

[Tom Kershaw]

Hi Tom

The only comparable is Delta400.

Or BW400CN or XP2+ if you need C41.

Noel

I know. Just that when you consider the whole process I think it is worth going for the film that gives the results you want.

Tom

 

[Ken Nadvornick]

http://investor.kodak.com/secfiling.cfm?filingID=31235-14-14

dip...increase in demand...?

My local c41 lab was a lomoshop it closed last month my chums who are going digital are still giving me things last was a daylight loader.

Don't make the common mistake of presuming that Kodak any longer defines film photography. It doesn't. By choice. Ask them what they are. They won't say a consumer film photography company. Or photography at all.

Tough to draw meaningful implications about the film market from the financials of a blister package printing company. Or the gift of a daylight loader...

Ken

 

[Xmas]

Don't make the common mistake of presuming that Kodak any longer defines film photography. It doesn't. By choice. Ask them what they are. They won't say a consumer film photography company. Or photography at all.

Tough to draw meaningful implications about the film market from the financials of a blister package printing company. Or the gift of a daylight loader...

Ken

Bullshot.
Kodak still have C41 colour and mono in my local pharmacy.
The daylight loader was residue the M2, etc, ... in local shop.
The C41 lab was a C41 lab...
Only one chum left now who is totally film...
Noel

 

[pdeeh]

Although not officially sold in the UK, you have the option of buying Ilford Pan 100 and 400 ... . See The Imaging Warehouse.

It is officially available in the UK, but only through what Simon Galley called "some specialist retailers", as well as in "some export markets".

So I suppose one could say it is not generally available in the UK.

(I'm quoting him from this thread (there was a url link here which no longer exists))

 

[Ricardo Miranda]

Yes, it is in some retailers, but there is no info on the Ilford site about these films for several years now.
Info is here: http://www.ciemnia.net/Ilford/Pan100_400.pdf

 

[kuparikettu]

Ferrania Survey results: Dead Link Removed

 

[Ken Nadvornick]

Bullshot.
Kodak still have C41 colour and mono in my local pharmacy.
The daylight loader was residue the M2, etc, ... in local shop.
The C41 lab was a C41 lab...
Only one chum left now who is totally film...

Kodak sold their film business.

Have never seen elephants at my local pharmacy.

Others retained or started or restarted their film businesses.

Elephants must be extinct.

Alaris will likely sell Ferrania someday soon.

What is the title of this thread?

Ken

 

[Xmas]

The title of this thread does not contain

'elephants'

 

[Ken Nadvornick]

It does.

Parse deeper...

Ken

 

[Xmas]

There is not a 'pee' on the title.

 

[Ken Nadvornick]

Even deeper...

Ken

 

[Ricardo Miranda]

Only one chum left now who is totally film...
Noel

Me? I hope not! I hope there are others who are totally film.

 

[Ken Nadvornick]

Only one chum left now who is totally film...

Ferrani knows how to do market research.

Never throw good money after bad.

My pharmacy carries no film.

"We know the market has stabilized and remains a very big business —but these kinds of numbers show that the future is very bright, indeed..."

I've never had a postal package lost.

Does this help??

Ken

 

[Photo Engineer]

Pilot means just that. It is small scale. It may be crappy or lower quality. It can be upgraded. It is slower and more expensive than production. ETC.........

I could go on, but the figures above are what you get.

PE

 

[Nzoomed]

Kodak sold their film business.

Have never seen elephants at my local pharmacy.

Others retained or started or restarted their film businesses.

Elephants must be extinct.

Alaris will likely sell Ferrania someday soon.

What is the title of this thread?

Ken

Do you reckon that Kodak and Fuji will be watching Film Ferrania very closely?

Hopefully it sparks them to compete instead of pulling film off the market completley.
I hope that the ferrania chrome makes a good replacement for e100g and e100vs.
Im guessing they will introduce a maskless c41 film too.

 

[Ken Nadvornick]

Do you reckon that Kodak and Fuji will be watching Film Ferrania very closely?

Hopefully it sparks them to compete instead of pulling film off the market completely.

Competition implies a strong desire to win something. And then doing what it takes to make that actually happen.

Over the last few years both Kodak and Fujifilm have moved aggressively away from the manufacture, promotion, and sale of photographic film. Both have discontinued the majority of their film product lines. Both have moved strongly into totally unrelated businesses. One has already scrapped significant film production capacity, and their remaining capacity is on the bubble. And the other remains notoriously silent until their next film line suddenly just disappears from retail shelves.

So if that something they want to compete for is dominance in the remaining residual consumer photographic film marketplace, what do you think?

Ken

 

[Nzoomed]

Competition implies a strong desire to win something. And then doing what it takes to make that actually happen.

Over the last few years both Kodak and Fujifilm have moved aggressively away from the manufacture, promotion, and sale of photographic film. Both have discontinued the majority of their film product lines. Both have moved strongly into totally unrelated businesses. One has already scrapped significant film production capacity, and their remaining capacity is on the bubble. And the other remains notoriously silent until their next film line suddenly just disappears from retail shelves.

So if that something they want to compete for is dominance in the remaining residual consumer photographic film marketplace, what do you think?

Ken

What i dont understand is if Kodak has sold their film business, who exactly runs it?
It all seems to be in charge by kodak management, whoever bought the business, you would think they would be serious about film and want to do everything in their power to promote it.
Fujifilm could one day just vanish without warning.
I think it will be a sad day for film if we dont ever see the top brands of film available to the public.
Would be nice to see all the major companies keep their film business alive in a similar scale to ferrania.
I really hope we will see a return of Ektachrome, but i doubt that will ever happen.

In the meantime, i will be doing my best to support Film ferrania and any other business that wants to be serious about film.

I think we could very well see a dip, just like what happened with valve audio, and then see other companies start up in Russia and china, just look at how the Russians and Chinese now dominate that market.
Of course, Italy will probably be the #1 largest producer of film left very shortly.

I have no reason to buy Kodak film anymore, they dont offer any product that i want.
Reversal film is the only film that im currently interested in shooting.
I dont see any use for negative film, id rather shoot digital, but thats just me.

 

[Xmas]

Ferrani knows how to do market research.

Never throw good money after bad.

My pharmacy carries no film.

"We know the market has stabilized and remains a very big business —but these kinds of numbers show that the future is very bright, indeed..."

I've never had a postal package lost.

Does this help??

Ken

It helps me to understand that you are an optimist and in denial.

Ferrani have not done any MR or even read Kodaks financial reports see link earlier. They may find a niche with E6. I tried a cassette in 2004.

To help you Ilford have made positive and negative colour in past and still have a c41 film... but have not pre announced new colour production.

The UK pharmacies had the bulk of our film sales at one time and many sold cameras to near prosumer level. The chain that still carries film have 1500 shops about a third still have 35mm film, Fuji C41, Kodak C41, Ilford mono. I bought four yesterday.

The production market is still dropping, note I mean cine + still volume cause that what Kodak and Fuji were doing. No information on Ilfords volume.

Our still market has always been subsidized by cine even before Oscar loaded cine into his Leica.
Most of the film I shot this year has been cine.

The instant print is expanding but that is not what you meant?

When I used Kodachrome I dropped off the film at Kodak lab never had return package lost.

When I switched to Fuji (2004) lost two of first 40 so stopped E6. They were in Fuji mailers with printed address and did not get to lab, UK postal service is a joke.

In ten years there will still be film but the selection and formats will be reduced compared to today.

This is still the hay day of film just bought four 135 from local pharmacy...

 

[ME Super]

When I went to the camera store to pick up some film I'd had developed, I told him a bit about Ferrania's plans. He had no idea they were attempting to restart production. Gave him their web address, as he sounded really interested.

Hey Ferrania, if you're listening and want to come up with a high-speed (400 or above) slide film, for me at least an ISO 640 tungsten-balanced E-6 film would be more useful than an ISO 400 or 800 daylight-balanced E-6 film when photographing in low light. Here's why: To convert 3200K light for use with a 5500K film, I'd need an 80A, which has a filter factor of 2 stops. To convert 5500K light for use with a 3200K film, I'd need an 85B filter, which has a filter factor of 2/3 stop. Using a 400D film in 3200K light, I end up with an effective speed of ISO 100 after applying the filter factor. If I use the 640T film in tungsten light, I don't need any conversion. If I'm using it with daylight-balanced electronic flash, I lose 2/3 stop, effectively giving it a speed of 400.

 

[Ken Nadvornick]

It helps me to understand that you are an optimist and in denial.

You and Dan (PKM-25) desperately need to have lunch together on me.

Smiling but silent at the mention of Harman. For awhile now.

Don't have time for an extended response at this moment. Sorry.

Consider well elephants, pharmacies, and statistics.

I can see your eyes, Dan...



Ken

 

[Xmas]

Hey Ferrania, if you're listening and want to come up with a high-speed (400 or above) slide film, for me at least an ISO 640 tungsten-balanced E-6 film would be more useful than an ISO 400 or 800 daylight-balanced E-6 film when photographing in low light. Here's why: To convert 3200K light for use with a 5500K film, I'd need an 80A, which has a filter factor of 2 stops. To convert 5500K light for use with a 3200K film, I'd need an 85B filter, which has a filter factor of 2/3 stop. Using a 400D film in 3200K light, I end up with an effective speed of ISO 100 after applying the filter factor. If I use the 640T film in tungsten light, I don't need any conversion. If I'm using it with daylight-balanced electronic flash, I lose 2/3 stop, effectively giving it a speed of 400.

Unless you buy the 100ISO they go broke...
There is a lotta investment in a new film type.

 

[ME Super]

No worries, I'll buy the 100. And Wittner's 200D made by Agfa-Geavart. And Velvia 50/Provia 100F by Fuji (Velvia 50 is magic, I love it for the inky blacks. Provia 100F looks good at box speed as well as pushed to 320/400). And HP5+ by Ilford. And some Porta 400/Ektar 100 by Kodak (though that gets fed to my box camera, which uses 620 film). I like all I've listed that I can currently buy. I'm sure I'll like the Ferrania too.