Ferrania P33 First Time Outing...

[Andrew O'Neill]

It's actually quite a nice film, that I quite like. I hope it comes out in 120!

 

[John Wiegerink]

Looks like an interesting film Andy. I like its color response, but I'd be curious to see it go head to head with FP4+. When it comes out in 120 roll film size I just might give it a try. If this truly is a thick emulsion "old style" film I'd love to give it a try in a pyro developer. Great video, very informative!

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

Looks like an interesting film Andy. I like its color response, but I'd be curious to see it go head to head with FP4+. When it comes out in 120 roll film size I just might give it a try. If this truly is a thick emulsion "old style" film I'd love to give it a try in a pyro developer. Great video, very informative!

Thanks, John. I'm actually planning to shoot it alongside FP4. I've got 100' feet of it (FP4) in the freezer... I think it would be really cool if P33 is thick emulsion. So much I would want to play around with, especially water-bath development, or even 2-bath.

 

[retina_restoration]

I'll try it when they offer it in 120 format.

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

I'll try it when they offer it in 120 format.

Lets hope it's not a long wait! I'm still waiting for P30 in 4x5!

 

[John Wiegerink]

Thanks, John. I'm actually planning to shoot it alongside FP4. I've got 100' feet of it (FP4) in the freezer... I think it would be really cool if P33 is thick emulsion. So much I would want to play around with, especially water-bath development, or even 2-bath.

Yes, something like Barry's two-bath should allow a lot of control. Changing times in both A and B should give a bunch of contrast possibilities.

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

Yes, something like Barry's two-bath should allow a lot of control. Changing times in both A and B should give a bunch of contrast possibilities.

My thinking precisely. I also want to see if I can take it from developer, to a water bath, and then back again, repeating several times, for extreme contrast control. Thicker emulsions can hold more developer when carried over to the water bath...

 

[John Wiegerink]

My thinking precisely. I also want to see if I can take it from developer, to a water bath, and then back again, repeating several times, for extreme contrast control. Thicker emulsions can hold more developer when carried over to the water bath...

Andy,
Looks like that experiment will consume a lot of time and donuts. I'm curious to see what happens in a two-bath. It might be the "Silver Bullet" some folks seek, since there a many folks here that really like how two-bath developers work and the results they give them. I can pretty much control my contrast with good exposure, Xtol-R and Pyrocat-HDC. Add VC paper to the equation, and I'm all set. Oh, I had a huge cherry fritter and fresh ground java for breakfast, so don't feel guilty alone.
best,
John

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

Cherry fritter?? I can only get my hands on apple or blueberry!

 

[Peter Schrager]

So it's really an 80asa film.. foma 100 is already available in all sizes and has amazing tones
And it's cheaper to boot.. ferrania wake up

 

[pentaxuser]

Another interesting and informative video, Andrew so many thanks

pentaxuser

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

So it's really an 80asa film.. foma 100 is already available in all sizes and has amazing tones
And it's cheaper to boot.. ferrania wake up

For me it's an EI 80 film, but for someone else it might not be. I've got fomapan 100 in both 120 and sheet film. I would like to compare it with P33, but will wait until it's available in 120 first...

 

[cliveh]

Andrew, your videos are brilliant. Can I suggest that when you leave education you start a business making short adverting videos? You are a natural.

 

[John Wiegerink]

Andrew, your videos are brilliant. Can I suggest that when you leave education you start a business making short adverting videos? You are a natural.

+2 Or maybe open a bakery? Both have their benefits!

 

[pentaxuser]

Thanks, John. I'm actually planning to shoot it alongside FP4. I've got 100' feet of it (FP4) in the freezer... I think it would be really cool if P33 is thick emulsion. So much I would want to play around with, especially water-bath development, or even 2-bath.

From the Macbeth colour checker chart in your video, Andrew it certainly seemed to have a colour palette that differed enough from HP5+ to make P33 look more vibrant. Does that apply to FP4 as well? I have no way of knowing but I suspect that FP4's palette is probably similar to that of HP5. P33 deals very well with a blue sky in terms of darkening it more attractively than HP5+

I suspect that for the newer younger "breed" of b&w users it may well appeal more. P33 doesn't handle shadow detail as well as HP5 bút that film to my eye is characterised by open shadows It's one of its pluses assuming that detailed shadows are "your thing " but again I feel this may have less appeal to newer users

These are just my views as I have no evidence to back up this view. Might the shadow detail in P33 be improved sufficiently at say 125( FP4 box speed) or 100 - I don't know but I am sure this will be revealed in your sequel video


pentaxuser

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

Andrew, your videos are brilliant. Can I suggest that when you leave education you start a business making short adverting videos? You are a natural.

Wow thanks! I wonder if Tim Horton's would take me? Doughnuts for life!

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

From the Macbeth colour checker chart in your video, Andrew it certainly seemed to have a colour palette that differed enough from HP5+ to make P33 look more vibrant. Does that apply to FP4 as well? I have no way of knowing but I suspect that FP4's palette is probably similar to that of HP5. P33 deals very well with a blue sky in terms of darkening it more attractively than HP5+

I suspect that for the newer younger "breed" of b&w users it may well appeal more. P33 doesn't handle shadow detail as well as HP5 bút that film to my eye is characterised by open shadows It's one of its pluses assuming that detailed shadows are "your thing " but again I feel this may have less appeal to newer users

These are just my views as I have no evidence to back up this view. Might the shadow detail in P33 be improved sufficiently at say 125( FP4 box speed) or 100 - I don't know but I am sure this will be revealed in your sequel video


pentaxuser

You're right. I do prefer open, luminous shadows. If I can't get that without conjuring up voodoo with P33, I probably won't use it.
I have shot P33 at EI 80, and it's much, much better in the shadows.

 

[John Wiegerink]

Wow thanks! I wonder if Tim Horton's would take me? Doughnuts for life!

Easy Cheeta! One day you'd go into work at Timmy's and you wouldn't fit through the door to punch the time clock. All kidding aside I can't see myself using P33, but for that it might contain some mystical qualities due to its thicker emulsion. That's just me of course and other folks might just like it.

 

[Disconnekt]

Seeing by how quick the 120 verisons of P30 & Orto 50 came out after the 35mm versions, the 120 version may come out later this year. I say probably around fall.

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

Seeing by how quick the 120 verisons of P30 & Orto 50 came out after the 35mm versions, the 120 version may come out later this year. I say probably around fall.

That would be great!

 

[pentaxuser]

You're right. I do prefer open, luminous shadows. If I can't get that without conjuring up voodoo with P33, I probably won't use it.
I have shot P33 at EI 80, and it's much, much better in the shadows.

Apart from the benefit of the open shadows which HP5+ wins hand down compared to P33 at Ferrania's box speed of 160 I noticed that the P33 shot seemed a lot sharper. In fact it made the building in the distance in that park area look as if the focus was sharper This may have been an optical illusion, my eye or down to the vibrancy of the light areas against the darker one I noticed that the windows( black panes against white stone ) on the distant buildings looked sharper

pentaxuser

 

[warden]

It's actually quite a nice film, that I quite like. I hope it comes out in 120!

That was a great video Andy, thanks for sharing it. And P33 looks like a good film too! I’m glad to see them expanding their offerings.

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

That was a great video Andy, thanks for sharing it. And P33 looks like a good film too! I’m glad to see them expanding their offerings.

I'll be absolutely thrilled when they bring out their P30 and P33 and Orto 50, in sheet film sizes!

 

[Agulliver]

You know what? I'd really like to see this in std/reg/dbl 8mm film. I can also see myself using it in 120 when I'm next looking to buy B&W 120 film.

 

[MultiFormat Shooter]

@Andrew O'Neill I'm wondering of can be (successfully) developed by a lab, or if P33 is "picky" enough to require development by the user. I like the look in your video, but don't have darkroom access. at this time.