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I'm shooting at EI 32 to get more shadow detail.

I see people shooting very low, pulling development and images look pretty good. What camera and meter?
 

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RE: "I see a lot of black and white, very little grey tones."
Some, including Ferrania, have said commercial labs tend to produce too-contrasty results. In <this discussion> from Feb. 2018, James Tocciho talks to Ferrania US director David Bias, who says:
"More than any other black-and-white film on the market, the developer that you use really affects the final image..." and,
"...Ferrania, on the other hand, has produced a different type of film. With high silver content and roots in cinema stock, P30 responds best when processed as a cinema film would be processed; in a low-contrast developer like D-96 and with continuous gentle agitation."
I think the best thing for users to do is decide if they want really high contrast images or if they want something closer to that ideal tone. If you want contrast, send it to a lab. If you want tone, develop at home. That way you can control the development process and the scanning and post-processing.”​

In their PDF document, "FERRANIA P30® BEST PRACTICES" <available here> Ferrania say:
"Hand processing is best. P30 is a unique film, and we have found hands-on processing to yield the most consistent results. Listed below are developers and techniques we recommend for a small tank environment."​
But that document does go on to say "Lab processing is ok, too" - and they provide suggested times, temps, and agitation routines for developers other than D-96.

Edit: this was a reply to Scott Micciche - but after going back through the thread, I realized Scott clearly knows a lot more about P30 than most - certainly more than me. So I removed the quote, because Scott already knows all this. But there may be other members in the group who, like me, may be just now learning about this film.
 
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Canon A-1 • Canon New FD 20mm F2.8
Ferrania P30 80 ISO in Caffenol CL stand 60min. @20°C


Canon A-1 • Canon New FD 35-70mm F4
Ferrania P30 80 ISO in Caffenol CL stand 60min. @20°C
 

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RE: "I see a lot of black and white, very little grey tones."
Some, including Ferrania, have said commercial labs tend to produce too-contrasty results. In <this discussion> from Feb. 2018, James Tocciho talks to Ferrania US director David Bias, who says:
"More than any other black-and-white film on the market, the developer that you use really affects the final image..." and,
"...Ferrania, on the other hand, has produced a different type of film. With high silver content and roots in cinema stock, P30 responds best when processed as a cinema film would be processed; in a low-contrast developer like D-96 and with continuous gentle agitation."
I think the best thing for users to do is decide if they want really high contrast images or if they want something closer to that ideal tone. If you want contrast, send it to a lab. If you want tone, develop at home. That way you can control the development process and the scanning and post-processing.”​

In their PDF document, "FERRANIA P30® BEST PRACTICES" <available here> Ferrania say:
"Hand processing is best. P30 is a unique film, and we have found hands-on processing to yield the most consistent results. Listed below are developers and techniques we recommend for a small tank environment."​
But that document does go on to say "Lab processing is ok, too" - and they provide suggested times, temps, and agitation routines for developers other than D-96.

Edit: this was a reply to Scott Micciche - but after going back through the thread, I realized Scott clearly knows a lot more about P30 than most - certainly more than me. So I removed the quote, because Scott already knows all this. But there may be other members in the group who, like me, may be just now learning about this film.

Thank you; I always mean to link the best practices and I keep forgetting.
 

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Well... I've decided that this film is not for me. I've been shooting all the way down to EI 32, and the film is just not capable of luminous shadows, such that I can get with other conventional films like HP5! I have one roll left so I'm probably going to shoot it at EI 6, and stand develop. Maybe it just doesn't like Pyrocat-HD...
 

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Well... I've decided that this film is not for me. I've been shooting all the way down to EI 32, and the film is just not capable of luminous shadows, such that I can get with other conventional films like HP5! I have one roll left so I'm probably going to shoot it at EI 6, and stand develop. Maybe it just doesn't like Pyrocat-HD...
You mean the film is a lemon?
 

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You mean the film is a lemon?

No, it's just not for me. It doesn't do it for me for what I like to photograph and how I expect my shadows to behave... or maybe Pyrocat-HD and P30 aren't a good combination for me. I've got a couple on this current roll that I really like, though...I'm about to post one over in the gallery....If I want to shoot with such a low EI, I'll work with a low EI film, like Pan F... which gives me lovely shadows. The other thing I encountered with this film is that if you do not give it ample agitation... like 5 sec every half minute, you run the risk of air bells. In the 30 years that I've been working with film, I never saw an air bell until I started using this film. In my previous post I said I'd probably give my last roll of P30 stand development... I don't think so. It'll be air bell city! The other thing that is annoying is the high B+F. I'm wondering if this film suffered x-ray damage before I got it. Anybody else have very high B+F?
 
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