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Paul Verizzo

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An aside, before I even begin. Have you checked the price of bulk film loaders lately? Upwards of $100. Man, that's a lot of rolls to load to even recoup that cost.

Anyway, I've had a Watson for years because unlike the venerable Lloyd, it actually counts frames, not relying on crank turns for an alleged count.

Along the way, I've found two flaws. One is the tendency for the cartridge to rotate in the hole, and the other, more serious one, is for the counting part's lower axle to slip out of its hole and thus not count. This is the part with sprocket knobs and connected to the open door function. The dreaded start cranking, no clicking of frames. The lower axle pin slips out of its hole. It should have been longer, or a thin wire locating device from below.

The first was easily rectified with some foam.

I wanted to correct the disjointed pin problem by drilling upward and installing some kind of wire, but there is no way to accurately locate the axle pin.

Instead, I shimmed the part from above. Although four layers of 35mm film fit in the gap, it was too tight. Three was just fine. (Ultrafine Extreme 100/Kentmere? in case you want to know! I suspect Tmax would be thicker.) As I did glue each layer, the final outcome was thicker than w/o glue.

As I bought mine used and it did not come with instructions, I learned the hard way that one needs to add frames to the counter to get the right exposure count. I came up with add six. Now, with Mr. Butkus and the intertubes, I see Watson says to add four. OK, four to six, YMMV.

Here's a Onedrive link with three photos showing what I did. I would have been happy to embed them but I don't see how, all options ask for a URL.
 

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I have one of the older Watson models. It seems to be made of bakelite. I am unsure who made it. It has a much better build quality than the newer plastic models. I had to piece together one from 3 of the newer ones just to get one that was reliable. Keep an eye out for the older ones, they are much better finished and function smoother.
 

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I really prefer the durability and style of the Alden brand vintage bulk loaders (the ones with the distinctive yellow knobs and dials), but have a Watson and several other brands.

They used to be practically free at garage sales and in thrift stores, so I stocked-up enough in the past to easily last me to the last exposure I'll ever make...
 

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I also use the Watson loader and found as above said, the older Bakelite ones to be better built. Ii had 3 of them in total, 2 bakelite ones called the Watson 66B and one newer plastic one called the Watson 100. I sold the plastic one and use the two older 66B's, they are great.

I am loading film into IXMOO casettes which is why I need a watson (or alden etc...) loader and I too had the same issues as the OP.
My solution was more of an "ignore and move on" type but wanted to share anyways.

I don't rely on the frame counter, it works sometimes and at other times it just does not start, never looked into why I just figured out I need 29 crank turns to get exactly 36 exposures and that's what I use now. Film thickness could be an issue but as I only shoot one film exclusively (Kodak XX) - the 29 turns work every time.

For the casette rotation I just hold the knob on the left which is also used to close the IXMOO after the loading is done so you wouldn't fog the film. If I didn't hold the knob the casette would indeed turn and potentially scratch the film.

Love it or hate it, its the only one type that works with IXMOO film cans. I choose to love it.

Ben
 

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Good info to know. I liked the bakelite ALdens better but had good luck with even the plastic Watsons. I have a few spares if anyone is in the market for one.
 

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Here's a Onedrive link with three photos showing what I did. I would have been happy to embed them but I don't see how, all options ask for a URL.

Paul, as far as I can make out, to insert an image, go to the bottom right of the posts, where you will find, 'Post Reply', 'Upload Image or File' etc. I can only presume it is the second button you need to click on, as I'm not sure if I have posted with this function or not in the past?

BTW, you haven't made a 'Onedrive link' either. :sad:

Terry S
 
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Paul Verizzo

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Paul, as far as I can make out, to insert an image, go to the bottom right of the posts, where you will find, 'Post Reply', 'Upload Image or File' etc. I can only presume it is the second button you need to click on, as I'm not sure if I have posted with this function or not in the past?

BTW, you haven't made a 'Onedrive link' either. :sad:

Terry S

Oops. Thanks, Terry.

https://1drv.ms/f/s!AmOl9vH70YvYlaA-yggphRlkZtupTw

Ah, I see the Upload Image or File now, I was looking at the top of the reply box.

"Too big to process." You mean all these photos on the forums have been "shrunk?" That should be done automatically! Other sites do. Oh, well, there's the Onedrive link.
 

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I have a Watson 100 that was old when I bought it back in the 90s. The frame counter has always slipped, so I just "help" it turn with a light finger push while I turn the crank. Other than that, it works flawlessly.
 

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I have several of these of different brands floating about and I use them quite a bit. My plastic Watson does seem to hold the FILCA and IXMOO cassettes without a problem but my Prinz66 will also hold the IXMOO cassettes (which are slightly shorter and intended for the M cameras.) Unfortunately it doesn't reliably rotate the brass sleeve to close the cassette after loading so I remove it in the bathroom after I shut off the lights. However, since it does work, I tend to use it anyway.

My Watson is a bit of a pain to get the counter properly started, but like others here, if it doesn't start counting, I have learned that about 30 turns gives me a full cassette. In my case it seems that if I get the film perforations properly set into the gear teeth on both sides it works all right. If I only get the film perforations on one side the film jumps off the teeth and won't count.

So far I haven't had to do any repair work on any of these reloaders though I do have one that is inclined to scratch film with very little provocation. Since I can't seem to locate and correct the scratching problem I have just set it aside and quit using it. However the rest of my reloaders all seem to work just fine though I have had to re-attach the cranks occasionally. I do enjoy reloading and the FILCA, IXMOO, and the Zeiss Ikon 540-01 cassettes are by far the most reliable of all the reloadable cassettes I have used so far. The felt trap type seem to work all right as well but need replacing from time to time as the felt comes loose eventually or gets dirty from the film running through them.
 
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I had the same problem with an older, bakelite Alden 74, which I solved by shimming, just as you did. That Alden also had a few broken teeth (how does that even happen?) so I ended up giving it away. I replaced it with a bakelite Watson 66B, which has been completely reliable. I also press my thumb against the knob to keep the cassette from turning ( I use Kodak Snap-Cap and similar cassettes).

I'm equally happy with the Lloyd's loader and I like that it wastes a little less film, but I must admit I like having the frame counter.
 
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