Facebook picture sabotage...

[semi-ambivalent]

...use it moderation...

Of all things one might say about FB, that one is not likely part of their business plan. Just sayin'.

 

[semi-ambivalent]

Can you please explain your point?

Castelli was a kingmaker in the art world. He was savvy and often right on. But a nod from him could kill a career, however valid or 'new-visioned' it might have been. Likewise Stieglitz (I think).

 

[Ken Nadvornick]

It's easy to just stick a label on something for its well known annoyances, it's another to be cultured and mature enough to embrace its strengths...

And it's yet another beyond that to have developed the level of analytical skills and wisdom necessary to see things for what they really are. Not how others with their own agendas want you to see them. What's good for others only occasionally aligns with what's good for you. And when it does, it often does so merely by coincidence or accident.

The ability to see clearly through hype and obfuscation is one of the hallmarks of maturity.

Ken

 

[paul_c5x4]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YHR8s62g8sk/UIBCW2Je8DI/AAAAAAAAARY/bfSBM31ztgs/s1600/1.jpg

Burn the sky in a little - There looks as there is some detail in the clouds that could add to the overall image..

 

[benjiboy]

If you're a serious photographer why do you put your work on Facebook ?

 

[mopar_guy]

From the most recent advertisement for the company where I work: "Follow us on Facebook and like us as well."

Facebook is perfect for someone who wants to advertise and not spend money. Personally, I don't need to advertise.

 

[benjiboy]

"oh look, a turd on the beach", yes I'm a shit photographer

 

[cliveh]

Castelli was a kingmaker in the art world. He was savvy and often right on. But a nod from him could kill a career, however valid or 'new-visioned' it might have been. Likewise Stieglitz (I think).

Well consensus of opinion showed him to be wrong about Atget.

 

[tkamiya]

Has anybody else had nasty remarks about pictures you've presented? Particularly images you're proud of. Do you take it as a hard lesson, allowing it to influence the kind of pictures you make or simply shrug it off?

Yes. I had people not agree with my assessment of some of my images. On the flip side, I don't like some of Ansel Adam's images or that of other famous photographers.

I often liken art to food. There are many times I went to restaurants with rave reviews and did not like the food at all. I've also had ones I liked get reviewed badly.

If I was selling my art or own a restaurant, it's a lesson. Namely, my product isn't meeting the majority opinion. Since I am not, I only have myself to please - especially on images that I did for myself.

I think you should listen to all of your critics and evaluate it yourself. Some of the criticism are valid. It helps to get other's point of view. Many aren't. Many aren't even qualified to comment. My recommendation is to shrug off the defacing of the image though. It's just part of being in public view in digital age.

 

[eddie]

Facebook, like everything else, is what you make of it. I've reconnected with friends I haven't seen in decades, and kept up with friends scattered around the world. I have a page for my photography, not for advertising, but to let friends (and people who have purchased my work) keep up with what I'm doing. I don't spend much time there, and do know a few "addicts" (people with 1,000 FB friends, but 3 in real life...), but I find it useful.

 

[jp498]

I really don't consider facebook a place for artistic photography, (unless you are friends with a bunch of other like minded photographer on facebook.)

I put up a mix of photos there and by far the most popular ones (in terms of likes or comments) are family photos of cute kids. People don't care much about tones or abstractions or composition. It's a social/family connection first and foremost.

 

[Steve Smith]

If you're a serious photographer why do you put your work on Facebook ?

To let other people see it. The same as any other internet presence.


Steve.

 

[batwister]

I really don't consider Facebook a place for artistic photography, (unless you are friends with a bunch of other like minded photographer on facebook)

I agree on the whole. Uploading pictures to Facebook is a bit like showing your prints at a night club. Having said that, there are many published photographers uploading there and even Twitter. I think the consistent positive response they get is interesting, as a social experiment. The people who comment and like their uploads are, in reality, a minority - the photographer being an 'artist'. But there is the illusion (to the outsider) from the consistent 'likes' and 'shares' of the die hard fans following them on Facebook, that the photographer has popular status. Which isn't the case in the real, exhibiting, publishing, world of hard copies. Many of my favourite black and white photographers, whose books I own, don't even have websites. There's a stubbornness with some traditional photographers about presenting work online. It's unfortunate that a generation may miss out on ever seeing their work, because they certainly won't see their exhibitions. How would they know if they had an exhibition if they didn't announce it online? That sounds silly, but believe me, it's the mentality of people my age.

Burn the sky in a little - There looks as there is some detail in the clouds that could add to the overall image..

Thought about it, but they aren't heavy rain clouds, it's a clearing overcast sky which doesn't look 'natural' hanging heavy. I prefer a tracery of detail. Nevertheless, this isn't an image I'll be printing.
I made this photograph on an impulse and uploaded it in the same manner, which is why I feel my friend's joke was a hard lesson. I should say that I think of this image as a 'ditty', which is why I uploaded.
Relating to above about 'artistic photography', I never upload challenging images; abstracts or anything too aesthetically led because I know there won't be a response.
This picture is literal enough to draw attention, regardless of its depth as an image. So I guess I have altered my practice or at least my editing to appeal to the masses.

Sometimes I upload photos of my prints, in this manner (but usually without my reflection) http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-WLxlOwuxrBM/UIFD2dHardI/AAAAAAAAARs/FnXs5PUwr0s/s1600/photo%2827%29.jpg, which again, as a social experimenting I find interesting. Always met by positive comments and likes, simply because I think the print has these connotations; completion of work, accomplishment, exhibition, potential for more socialising, FRIEND! FRIEND! LIKE! LIKE!

 

[kb3lms]

Shrug it off. Dump Facebook. Then don't repeat the mistake.

Ken
+1

+2

 

[wilper]

I wonder if it's just a question of different circles. I hang out on some photography forums, and there pictures are sacred. On one or two there's a special tag to put in your profile if it is OK for other users to do manipulations of your pictures, the general expectation is that it is verboten.

On the other hand, I'm a member on a music forum. When someone posts a picture there it is seen as an expression of friendliness to make a manipulation of the picture, possibly inserting avatars of other users in it.

So maybe you saw your friend's action from a photographer's perspective. While he acted with a non-photographer's view. And no harm was ever intended.

 

[benjiboy]

To let other people see it. The same as any other internet presence.


Steve.

As far as Facebook is concerned, (but not this forum of the cogniscenti)it brings to mind that old proverb about " casting pearls before swine" ?

 

[salan]

A few years ago, I taught basic photography (yes all the people wanted to use digital compacts, but I tried to teach them the basics with no bias to digital).
Now these were people that had NEVER held a camera in their lives. Strange though it may seem there are people like that around!.
When we had photo session, the one thing I would not do is to put a photo down. Suggest alternatives on how to take the picture, but not as a 'this would make it better, more a case of 'might be worth trying x and seeing if you like the result.
We had one lady that just could not hold the camera still no matter what!
BUT her photos looked just like 'Monnet's' painting! and in there own way were quite good.
There are lots of paintings that I love and even more that are not for me. But the next person might like the ones I hate.
Face Book to me is as said, a way to advertise for firms and a way to keep in touch with my younger family.
I have the luxury of doing photography for my pleasure and not as a living.
So 'balls to everyone else' If I like it then I don't care what other people think!!
BUT if I was being paid for it then who ever pays has to like it.
Alan

 

[Steve Smith]

If you upload a picture to Facebook, you have complete control over who can see it.

You can select: yourself, specific friends, all of your friends, friends and friends of friends or everyone on the planet.

This is a lot more control than you have putting pictures on a personal website.

e.g. I have one picture in a Facebook gallery which can only be seen by one person (other than me) and that is the subject of the photograph.



Steve.

 

[semi-ambivalent]

...(unless you are friends with a bunch of other like minded photographer on facebook.)...

You have an idea there. If you're at all computer literate with the open source scene there are plenty of programs that will let you run your own forum on your own computer. As long as you don't blow out your bandwidth caps you and your friends can have your very own APUG (well, a meek representation of it anyway). You gain the ability to critique each other's work and communicate new ideas. All you lose is the hot vixens taking pictures of themselves in the bathroom mirror with their phones. (Why are they always using the mirror? You'd think vixens who are hot have some friends who can take their pictures for them. A funny thing, this Facebook "community".)

 

[blansky]

If you upload a picture to Facebook, you have complete control over who can see it.

You can select: yourself, specific friends, all of your friends, friends and friends of friends or everyone on the planet.

This is a lot more control than you have putting pictures on a personal website.

e.g. I have one picture in a Facebook gallery which can only be seen by one person (other than me) and that is the subject of the photograph.

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Steve.

Yes but can't THEY send it on? That one or two friends likes it so much (or doesn't) that they send it to a friend etc etc.....

 

[Steve Smith]

Yes but can't THEY send it on?

That's a good question and I don't know the answer. I think that if I post a picture and only allow e.g. two of my friends to see it then it shouldn't be possible for anyone else they send a link to, to actually see it. I would hope that they would get a message saying that they are not authorised to view it.

Not sure what actually happens though. I might try it out.


Steve.

 

[michaelbsc]

That's a good question and I don't know the answer. I think that if I post a picture and only allow e.g. two of my friends to see it then it shouldn't be possible for anyone else they send a link to, to actually see it. I would hope that they would get a message saying that they are not authorised to view it.

Not sure what actually happens though. I might try it out.


Steve.

Yes, you can control who sees "your" posting, but you cannot stop me from downloading the image and the reposting it. Edited or not.

Facebook is a social media site. And it lives up to, or down to as one may choose to characterize it, that reputation fully.

 

[Steve Smith]

Yes, obviously you can copy or save the picture and re-post it but but you can do that with any picture on the internet. I would like to know what happens if you share or post a link.

To that end I have just posted a picture on my page which only my son can see. I am going to see what happens if he tries to share it or sends a link to my daughter.


Steve.

 

[Dinesh]

In hockey we call that "taking a number". As you're laying in the corner and the guy that creamed you skates away, you get his number. It may take a few minutes, a few games, a few seasons or a few years but one of these days that son of a bitch is gonna pay.

The question is, do you have the balls to sort it out yourself?

 

[Chuck_P]

I believe Flickr does have licensing rules that prevents others from passing on a photo. I was unable to post one of my own photos from Flickr into another forum until I figured out how to soften the licensing rules.