Expensive B60 filters. Use a step up ring and a standard filter instead?

[rayonline_nz]

I am having a looking at a protection filter re: B60 size. Tiffen has a single coat filter but the multi-coat ones are expensive. What do you think about using a step up ring (I have already) then use something like a 77mm MC protection filter on it?

Other thing is with a B60 sized filter, can the normal Hasselblad lens cap fit over it?


Thanks.

 

[John Koehrer]

No problem at all with step up adapters.
Don't have Hasselblad or B60 so no idea about the cap

 

[Arvee]

I, also, am not sure about the cap fitting over the filter but I strongly recommend that you get an adapter (B60 - 67mm) made from brass. The aluminum ones will bind/gall and you will have one hell of a time getting it off your lens (I speak from experience!). The brass ones aren't cheap but much cheaper than ruining your lens where you're not able to ever put on another filter! Heliopan makes a very good one but the Tiffen aluminum version is the one that caused me the most grief. I finally was able to remove it without damaging the Planar but it was touch and go!

 

[Sirius Glass]

I use only the B60 filters. I have been fortunate enough to get used high quality filters a affordable prices. It just takes patience and time to find them. I even have some of the not so useful ones that the seller threw into the sale to get rid of them and to send them to a good home.

 

[mgb74]

I wouldn't worry about the cap fitting over it as you can always get a generic cap to fit the filter size (unless you really think a Hasselblad cap is necessary). But I would worry about the lenshood. It may be apples and oranges, but my Hasselbald B50 hood fits fine over my B50 to 55mm adapter.

 

[BrianShaw]

No the cap won't fit. Think about it, Hasselblad cap is bayonet. The bayonet mount on camera is occupied by adapter. Filter in adapter is screw in... hence threads on both sides. Buy a snap cap and Bobs your uncle. But stepping from B-60 to 77 will prohibit use of Hassy lens shade. You can use a 77 screw in shade if you want but B-60 to 67 allows the option to use the Hassy shade. I think that's the better option. But whenever possible, real B-60 filters is the optimal solution because the Hassy lens cap bayonets right onto them.

 

[Sirius Glass]

Hasselblad caps snap in to the lens or filter.

 

[Slixtiesix]

I have a B60-67 adapter as well for casual use. Nice because the Hasselblad shades still fit. I do not know if there will be vignetting with the 50mm and 60mm lenses! Hasselblad stated they introduced B70 with the 50CFi because with B60, stacking filters would lead to vignetting, so the same may be the case with one of these adapters. It´s definitely fine with the longer lenses!

 

[rayonline_nz]

Thanks for that. The Hasselblad is new to me, don't have a lens hood yet. Thou when one does use real filters (non protection) it kinda makes the hood unusable in most cases. Grad filters, CPOL but the b/w colored filters can still work thou like a yellow. Coming from initially 35mm format most of my filters are 77mm.

 

[etn]

Not sure a B60 adapter plus filter will be really much cheaper than a B60 filter.
With a bit of searching I found B60 filters in good to new condition for 30-50 €.
(but again I haven't researched how much B60-77 adapters and 77 filters cost)

I have one B60 adapter + 77mm (?) filter which came with one of my lenses, and use B60 filters on every other one.

In a nutshell:
Pros of B60: easy to put in place and remove (great when using color filters).
Cons of B60: Some do not "stick" well to the lens and come off when removing the lens cap.
Pros of adapter + threaded filter: lens cap is easier to remove, lens caps are cheaper and easier to find.
Cons: not as convenient to use for me, as all my filters are B60 (including the Lee filter adapter). YMMV.

Hope this helps.

 

[etn]

PS. Not sure what is the "best" filter size - 67 or 77 - in my above post.

I also agree that lens protection filters are important. They saved my "life" (read: my lenses) im several occasions. Pixel peepers on forums about "that alternative technology" will argue that image quality suffers from protection filters. This is BS. We make pictures, we use film, we care about our gear, nuff said

 

[Sirius Glass]

Thanks for that. The Hasselblad is new to me, don't have a lens hood yet. Thou when one does use real filters (non protection) it kinda makes the hood unusable in most cases. Grad filters, CPOL but the b/w colored filters can still work thou like a yellow. Coming from initially 35mm format most of my filters are 77mm.

The cheap plastic lens hoods from eBay China work well. Have a metal round lens hood B60-67mm for a 150mm, 180m or 250mm lens that we could talk about. The shipping would probably cost more then what I might sell it for. [to end a sentence with a preposition]

 

[rayonline_nz]

Not sure a B60 adapter plus filter will be really much cheaper than a B60 filter.
With a bit of searching I found B60 filters in good to new condition for 30-50 €.
(but again I haven't researched how much B60-77 adapters and 77 filters cost)

I have one B60 adapter + 77mm (?) filter which came with one of my lenses, and use B60 filters on every other one.

In a nutshell:
Pros of B60: easy to put in place and remove (great when using color filters).
Cons of B60: Some do not "stick" well to the lens and come off when removing the lens cap.
Pros of adapter + threaded filter: lens cap is easier to remove, lens caps are cheaper and easier to find.
Cons: not as convenient to use for me, as all my filters are B60 (including the Lee filter adapter). YMMV.

Hope this helps.

B60 adaptors cost around $10US including delivery from China/HKG. I already have 77mm filters with my Nikons and now they are used on the RB67 - shares the same 77mm.

Not sure about used filters. But new filters single coat standard Tiffen is $18US about, this is the B60. The B60 multicoat B&H only list Heliopann and they cost over $200US or more than that with Hasselblad brand filters. Standard 77mm threaded B+W MRC cost $44US (new) or MC Hoya's $18US. With the 77mm it means I can use them with my other equipment also. It also means I don't have repurchase other filters for the B60 such as the CPOL, straight NDs and the yellow filters etc. and still I cannot use the grads with the hood unless I get the special Cokin or Lee ones.

 

[Sirius Glass]

Almost all of the Hasselblad filters I have are Heliopan and a few B+H, but I did not spend anywhere near $200US a piece for them.

 

[BrianShaw]

Thanks for that. The Hasselblad is new to me, don't have a lens hood yet. Thou when one does use real filters (non protection) it kinda makes the hood unusable in most cases. Grad filters, CPOL but the b/w colored filters can still work thou like a yellow. Coming from initially 35mm format most of my filters are 77mm.

Why do you think the hood is unusable? Are you referring to if/when a 77 filter is used?

 

[BrianShaw]

P.S. One "economical" notion I abandon a long time ago is adapters to share filters. It's just a hassle. So I have a filter wallet with 49, another with 52, another with 67, and one with Bay-60... and "redundant" filters as required. Much less hassle when shooting. A bit of an expense to set up that way but it has repaid in convenience many times over.

 

[Sirius Glass]

P.S. One "economical" notion I abandon a long time ago is adapters to share filters. It's just a hassle. So I have a filter wallet with 49, another with 52, another with 67, and one with Bay-60... and "redundant" filters as required. Much less hassle when shooting. A bit of an expense to set up that way but it has repaid in convenience many times over.

You are completely missing one of the many Hasselblad advantages: almost all CF and higher lenses use B60 filters. Therefore after protecting each lens with a skylight or UV filter, one set of filters can be used for the CF lenses. I have done that for years and most other Hasselblad users do exactly that. It makes the more expensive filters available to almost all the CF and higher lenses. Now of course Minolta, Nikon, Canon and others tended to standardize on one or two filter sizes for most of their lenses. The off brand lenses not so much.

 

[rayonline_nz]

Why do you think the hood is unusable? Are you referring to if/when a 77 filter is used?

I mean if you are using a B60 CPOL filter one has to take the hood off, adjust the filter and pop the hood back on - difficult if not impossible handholding the camera. You also cannot use them with graduated square filters. And yes if one uses 77mm filters that I have already the hood does not fit but I guess many people who use square filters don't use the specialist hoods that comes with the filter holders (like Lee and Cokin). Many I guess may just don't use hoods.

 

[Sirius Glass]

I can use a polarizing filter with the lens hood on. The B60 lens hoods use the outside of the lens to attach. I put my hand inside the lens hood and rotate the filter. If one sticks to the B60 filters rather than using adapters, one will find that the Hasselblad systems when used as designed works well. Use work arounds and some things can become inconvenient.

 

[rayonline_nz]

Yeah ... which means the expense of another filter set in B60 but I use a lot of the square filters for color landscapes ....... I use them often enough my B/W filters are also square.

 

[BrianShaw]

You are completely missing one of the many Hasselblad advantages: almost all CF and higher lenses use B60 filters. Therefore after protecting each lens with a skylight or UV filter, one set of filters can be used for the CF lenses. I have done that for years and most other Hasselblad users do exactly that. It makes the more expensive filters available to almost all the CF and higher lenses. Now of course Minolta, Nikon, Canon and others tended to standardize on one or two filter sizes for most of their lenses. The off brand lenses not so much.

No, I do not think I'm missing anything. All of my Hassy lenses are B-60. The other filters are for other systems: 52 for Nikon, etc. so one filter wallet is with the Hassy and another is with the Nikon, etc. Grab-and-go...

 

[BrianShaw]

Yeah ... which means the expense of another filter set in B60 but I use a lot of the square filters for color landscapes ....... I use them often enough my B/W filters are also square.

So that's true, but I've shopped hard for bargains and it seems others have too, to make the cost of convenience as affordable as possible. I'm not much of a filter user anyway - a couple of contrast filters, a "soft focus" or two and a ND seems to suit my style.

But now that you mention it... maybe I do have too many: three or four sizes plus a bunch of Series V and VI for the Graphic lenses.

 

[ac12]

I have a Bay60->67mm adapter.
With this setup I then got the easier to find (and cheaper) 67mm filters. These are the standard black and white filters; yellow, orange, red, green. And the Polarizing filter.
But over time I have been gradually collecting the Bay60 filters, as I could find and afford them.

 

[RalphLambrecht]

I am having a looking at a protection filter re: B60 size. Tiffen has a single coat filter but the multi-coat ones are expensive. What do you think about using a step up ring (I have already) then use something like a 77mm MC protection filter on it?

Other thing is with a B60 sized filter, can the normal Hasselblad lens cap fit over it?


Thanks.

I use62 or 67mm filters and a step-up ring without issues.

 

[rayonline_nz]

Thanks for that. Will keep an eye out on the auction site and backup option is to use a 67mm filter with a step up ring. Anyone know if the 50mm lens vignette with the step up ring? I am in NZ overseas so postal costs may also be expensive.



Thanks.