Everyone gets a trophy

[pentaxuser]

Funny you should say that because Southwest France is exactly where she is....along with 20 more orphans just like her 🫪

Let's hope that citoyen Robespierre doesn't find them

pentaxuser

 

[Thwyllo]

Let's hope that citoyen Robespierre doesn't find them

pentaxuser

They have to get through my wife...

 

[Thwyllo]

But if course the key thing is, it's hard to take a bad picture of a cat isn't it...

 

[chuckroast]

Hopefully people who want to tear the work of others apart can accept criticism about their criticism. I have found that is rarely the case.

+1

I find that they rarely want to even post their own work.

Online criticism has to be tempered by the fact that the creator is likely doing the work to suit themselves and that monitors never agree on contrast, brightness, or color spaces.

 

[chuckroast]

But if course the key thing is, it's hard to take a bad picture of a cat isn't it...

I concur ... Larry sez "Hi" ...

 

[Pieter12]

+1

I find that they rarely want to even post their own work.

Online criticism has to be tempered by the fact that the creator is likely doing the work to suit themselves and that monitors never agree on contrast, brightness, or color spaces.

If the creator is doing the work to suit themselves, then what is the purpose of posting it?

 

[CMoore]

Lulu has an expression on her face that says it is 1789 France, her neck is resting on something and she is saying "I knew there had to be a snag with being an aristocrat's cat "

pentaxuser

Let's hope that citoyen Robespierre doesn't find them

pentaxuser

They have to get through my wife...

Good Heavens, i am impressed.
I did not go to school however, so perhaps that is not saying much

But seriously............ it is true i am not an educated person, but your knowledge of history has to be above "normal"
Did you guys study it for some reason.?

And forget the "art" of photography.................that was some damn, fine word-smithing to describe the cat

Once again, pardon my ignorance, but ... Robespierre ... i thought he was one of the good guys.
Opposed to racism, death penalty, wage slavery and stuff like that.?
But i not any kind of scholar or historian, so maybe i am thinking of the wrong person.
Wasn't this guy some type of "progressive" attorney or politician.?

Was he a cat hater.?

 

[chuckroast]

If the creator is doing the work to suit themselves, then what is the purpose of posting it?

To share their love of an image.

Potentially to ask for help improving it. That is not same as urinating all over someone's post because you don't like the image.

 

[Pieter12]

To share their love of an image.

The it's really not just to suit themselves, is it?

 

[chuckroast]

The it's really not just to suit themselves, is it?

They make the image to suit themselves. They share it because of their pleasure with said image. Those are not contradictory statements.

 

[Vaughn]

Hear Hear................... and enough with the damn Rocks and Trees already

Hear! Hear! And no more damn portraits! Eight billion people on this planet, we got people all around us all the time, and we got to look at their faces all the time. Who needs photos of we don't know??!!

On-line critiques are difficult. Craft supports and strengthens the image in the making of a print, however most of the qualities of craft disappear in the translation to the computer screen, especially with alt processes. My goal is to combine craft and vision in the making of a photographic print. I can only show half of any print on a computer screen.

Silver gelatin prints have the image trapped in a layer of gelatin on top of paper. Platinum and similar prints have the image trapped in the fibers of the paper. Carbon prints have an image formed by different thickness of pigment-containing gelatin that can rise above the surface of the paper. However on a computer screen they all have the same surface quality.

Many of us do not have the equipment/skills to reproduce our work well for online, many have skills that shine. It is difficult to accurately critique work from inaccurate online reproduction.

We all have access to critique all images on this forum. All it takes is a message to the poster asking if they would like feedback...and if they do, would they prefer to have the critique public or private. Otherwise, giving unwanted negative feedback is just rude.

And lastly (yeah, right), in most cases, a helpful critique should know what the photographer was trying to do/say. If they purposefully break one or more 'rules', for example, a helpful critique can focus on how the positive and negative effects of breaking those rules affects the perception of the image to the viewers.

 

[Vaughn]

The it's really not just to suit themselves, is it?

And many times, is it not the same for those who wish to publicly critique?

 

[Dali]

Like Vaughn wrote, it is difficult to critique positively or negatively a picture as long as we don't know the photographer's intention.

Also, everyone has different expectations. I don't find any quality/interest to 90% of what I see (including my pictures) and as such, I don't see the point to post/share 90% of what I see. But it's me, your opinion might differ.

 

[oneeyedpainter]

If the creator is doing the work to suit themselves, then what is the purpose of posting it?

Because photography, as most of the human arts and crafts, is a language, a medium to express our feelings and the way we see the world around us and the stuff that happens in it. And as with any language, it is ultimately worth to be spoken if there is some other human able to understand it and willing to listen.

I personally do not understand those self-proclaimed "photographers" who never show any of their pictures to anyone. Do they have anything to say at all? Or do they feel like what they have to say is too difficult for anybody else to appreciate? Or have they ever tried the language of photography for real, on top of the finer and somewhat easier/duller art of talking about somebody else's photography?

There is absolutely no need to be rude on a fellow photographer who shares their craftworks. We are not even obliged to comment on them, if feedback is not requested, to the same extent as we do not engage in topics which we do not understand, or for which we have no interest or connection.

OneEyedPainter

 

[koraks]

I personally do not understand those self-proclaimed "photographers" who never show any of their pictures to anyone. Do they have anything to say at all?

There are many reasons why people make photographs. Some just do it to scratch an itch that has nothing to do with storytelling. They just like to work with cameras, film, chemistry etc. More of a ritual.

There is absolutely no need to be rude on a fellow photographer who shares their craftworks.

Well, likewise, let's try not to be rude on fellow photographers who do not share their photos.

 

[oneeyedpainter]

There are many reasons why people make photographs. Some just do it to scratch an itch that has nothing to do with storytelling. They just like to work with cameras, film, chemistry etc. More of a ritual.


Well, likewise, let's try not to be rude on fellow photographers who do not share their photos.

Sorry, did not mean to come across as rude. I offer my apologies if what I said has offended anybody.

OneEyedPainter

 

[awty]

Where's mine!
I've never got a trophy in my life.

 

[Don_ih]

I'll give you a trophy, Paul. Next time I'm in Australia.

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

Before the days of the internet, about the only public comment on any “works of art” was from an “art critic” in some sort of publication or outlet. The public could comment on the editorial pages, if the publication wanted to devote the space to them.

Now we comment on every aspect of life at the speed of light. Good, bad or otherwise. Here we are.

I would find it funny, If back day you went to an art gallery and left a Post-it note stuck the picture frame with a comment.

“This sucks”

“Put some clothes on that women”

“I think you hung it upside down”

“The yellow is too bright”

This afternoon I will be headed to the local art gallery with a pad of Post-it notes in hand.

I am sure that soon I will be on some sort of social media, with plenty of comments, before the ink has dried on the first one.

Years ago, I belonged to a local photo club in Queens, NYC. We would bring in prints and post them on the wall, and everyone would look at them, and then we'd comment on how to improve them, what was good about them, etc. It was a great process. The night was capped with coffee and cake, and other treats and fun talks about photography. Sometimes we did specific projects, like we hired a nude model to do portraits and model shots, and then compared the print results at future meetings.

I belong to a 55+ photo club today in a 55+ community, and we do similar things. Except for the models.

 

[koraks]

we hired a nude model to do portraits and model shots

To all camera clubs out there - for the love of God, do not, ever! hire a nude model so "we can compare prints".

/rant.

 

[Don_ih]

To all camera clubs out there - for the love of God, do not, ever! hire a nude model so "we can compare prints".

Far as I can tell, that was standard practice for lots of camera clubs.

 

[Pieter12]

Far as I can tell, that was standard practice for lots of camera clubs.

Sometimes it is just more practical for a small group or workshop to hire a studio or location and a model or two.

 

[chuckroast]

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To all camera clubs out there - for the love of God, do not, ever! hire a nude model so "we can compare prints".

/rant.

Please tell us you do not have PTSD from being said model

(I also agree with you wholly.)

 

[mshchem]

Lulu doesn't want comments.

But it does underline one thing which is that, as amateur photographers, we are usually desperate for others to see our work, even at the risk of being shot down. I definitely subscribe to Thumper's philosophy unless (1) someone positively requests feedback, and (2) I have something constructive to say, even if it's a better photo than I could take!!

I love Lulu!!! Our current felines are a couple lunatic brothers, not nearly so photogenic

 

[Patrick Robert James]

You're not wrong, but the internet is built on everyone patting each other on the back for whatever piddling thing they did. You can vomit in the street and people will hit that old Like button by the millions. There’s a lot to be cynical about in modern life.

Yup. Just about everything of quality has been drowned out by loud mediocrity. Fewer and fewer know the difference.