Pieter12
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Definitely. Maybe some of the energy and funds should go to educating one's eye. But poor taste and lack of judgment is what it is. It just gets old after a while.
I agree with you, but reading the original post it seems like in particular bad pictures made with fancy equipment are sort of the triggers.
People might post what seems crap because it is not crap to them. Seems simple enough.
There are likely many reasons:
A little grace, humility, and encouragement goes far.
- They may find the image personally meaningful
- They may be seeking input on how to improve
- They may be complete beginners proud of the fact that they successfully processed film/paper for the first time
- They may be doing experiments to see how changing things changes outcomes
- And so on...
No one is expecting to make everyone or even anyone happy. What I don't fathom is why the poster is pleased with the work enough to share it. Let's cut to the chase--some work is pitiful (and I don't mean technically deficient) or unintentionally cliché/kitschy and would be best kept to oneself.
If it is worth your time, consider giving constructive feedback.
Here's my feedback: maybe explain why you think the photo is worthy of sharing. Pretty simple.
BTW, I never (or very rarely) visit the gallery pages on this forum. My comments are mostly spurred by what I see elsewhere.
The problem is that even if someone hints at the fact that it is crap, people (and not necessarily just the originator) get upset.
Here's my feedback: maybe explain why you think the photo is worthy of sharing. Pretty simple.
BTW, I never (or very rarely) visit the gallery pages on this forum. My comments are mostly spurred by what I see elsewhere.
The problem is that even if someone hints at the fact that it is crap, people (and not necessarily just the originator) get upset.
Definitely. Maybe some of the energy and funds should go to educating one's eye. But poor taste and lack of judgment is what it is. It just gets old after a while.
Because it is just an opinion that it is crap. And opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one, and unless one is a cat, it is usually offensive to wave it around in other peoples' faces.
The problem is that even if someone hints at the fact that it is crap, people (and not necessarily just the originator) get upset.
In some circles, waving a cat in someones face could be considered offensive.
Once again, difficult to comment on pictures when we don't know what the photographer had in mind when he pressed the shutter. In this case, everyone seeing pictures interprets them the way he wants, and critical comments are as valid as baseless congratulations.
I would love to see your precise taxonomy of crappiness.
What is the unit of measure? Crap per millimetre?
That's the problem. There is no objective standard for what is OK and what is crap. For example, I think Lee Friedlander's street work is barely better than a 12 year old with an Instamatic on family holidays in the 1970s. But a whole lot of people disagree strongly with me on that. Who's right? Do we vote? (Keeping in mind that some of the most dreadful artistic sewage of the past hundred years got "voted" on by people with their purchases. Thinking of things like ... oh, nevermind.)
(There are certainly standards for what makes art great or not, we just won't live long enough to know what - if any - of our own work meets that standard.)
OK, here is an anthology of what I consider to be the better corners of my work over the past 50 years, all scans of silver prints. There are a stinkers in there as well, for reasons that will remain unexplained.
I'm sharing it because (mostly) I like these a lot. Is that sufficient justification in your view? I'm not principally interested in whether you like these, only whether or not "I like these and thought I'd share" is sufficient to share with the class.
(Oh, and for the record, at least one person I've run into on the Internet- and whom I've never met - thinks the later stuff is complete trash and that I am - and I quote - "a complete fraud" (I assume as a photographer, not as a human being).
Because it is just an opinion that it is crap. And opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one, and unless one is a cat, it is usually offensive to wave it around in other peoples' faces.
critical comments are as valid as baseless congratulations
Hmmm. Have you ever considered the possibility that you're actually the problem?
Of course I’m the problem. But the problem exists beyond me.
You know, I'm sure the work is fine if not great. But I don't have the emotional energy to look at it at this point. Carry one.
You don't have to look at it at all. Just answer the question: Is your objection satisfied if I say, "Here are a bunch of images I like. I thought I'd share them with anyone who might be interested"?
That is, does that explanation get you past your crap triggers?
I have no objection to anyone’s images. I just don’t understand the reasoning.
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