ETTR or ETTL!
I’d like to have the sky intact, no burn out
I interpret this as "Expose To The Right" resp. "Expose To The Left", both terms which are used in the context of digital photography, where the exposure is set to bunch the histogram to the right resp. left. Is this what you mean?
Having said that, ETTR risks clipping highlights while ETTL risks clipping shadows. Proponents of either will argue that you choose exposure to limit clipping to the bare minimum, but the tradeoff/compromise leans in opposite directions.
The general rule of thumb is that in digital, like when shooting slides, clipped highlights are unrecoverable, while deep shadows nearly always contain some detail. In this sense, ETTR is less risky than ETTL. However, it care is taken while applying ETTL that no (relevant) highlights are clipped, the net result is virtually the same in terms of what you can do with the recorded image in post processing and printing.
So the conclusion has been since about the 19th century and the invention of photography: decide which detail is important and try not to lose it. Whether you use ETTL, ETTR, Zone System or something Beyond that - really, whatever. The net result isn't that different in the end; differences in s/n ratio between ETTL and ETTR are in practice often not very relevant.
So there - don't blow out the sky. Doesn't matter how you call it. Just take a meter reading and ensure it doesn't clip any channel into saturation. Use the histogram on your digital camera to verify and reshoot if necessary. Err to the side of underexposure on digital and slides, and to the side of overexposure when shooting negative film. That's pretty much all there is to it.
I interpret this as "Expose To The Right" resp. "Expose To The Left", both terms which are used in the context of digital photography, where the exposure is set to bunch the histogram to the right resp. left. Is this what you mean?
Having said that, ETTR risks clipping highlights while ETTL risks clipping shadows. Proponents of either will argue that you choose exposure to limit clipping to the bare minimum, but the tradeoff/compromise leans in opposite directions.
The general rule of thumb is that in digital, like when shooting slides, clipped highlights are unrecoverable, while deep shadows nearly always contain some detail. In this sense, ETTR is less risky than ETTL. However, it care is taken while applying ETTL that no (relevant) highlights are clipped, the net result is virtually the same in terms of what you can do with the recorded image in post processing and printing.
So the conclusion has been since about the 19th century and the invention of photography: decide which detail is important and try not to lose it. Whether you use ETTL, ETTR, Zone System or something Beyond that - really, whatever. The net result isn't that different in the end; differences in s/n ratio between ETTL and ETTR are in practice often not very relevant.
So there - don't blow out the sky. Doesn't matter how you call it. Just take a meter reading and ensure it doesn't clip any channel into saturation. Use the histogram on your digital camera to verify and reshoot if necessary. Err to the side of underexposure on digital and slides, and to the side of overexposure when shooting negative film. That's pretty much all there is to it.
I think it's the other way around.
. So if you don't want to lose highlight then use ETTR.
ETTL mainly for negative
What’s a histogram…
You're right; I swapped the terms in the 3rd paragraph. I've corrected it in the post above.
No, that's the other way around. The right-side of the histogram is where the highlights are. If you ETTR, you bring the image data right up to that edge of the histogram and risk clipping them.
Other way around.
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From here: https://digital-photography-school.com/exposing-to-the-right/
Histogram
For those who think it's easier to annoy you than to Google 'Histogram' themselves.letmegooglethat.com
In all seriousness though - a histogram is essentially a pareto diagram ('bar chart') that displays the degree to which each luminosity value (or bracket of values) is present in an image. The usual presentation is dark tones to the left and bright tones to the right. Hence, a histogram that shows a pronounced 'hill' on the right-side of the plot would belong to an image that's overall relatively bright in appearance.
You do know the Leica MD 262 doesn’t have a screen…
Nope, didn't realize that. So the whole ETTR/ETTL thing is pretty much a moot point when using that particular camera. Which isn't too worrisome, since as I pointed out before, it's fairly close to splitting hairs to begin with.
I tend to set the EV ( exposure compensation) @ + 2
In what metering mode and what do you meter on?
Then stay away from concepts like ETTR and trying to use them before understanding them! This is impossible without a display, this is another dead end.I like it simple, simplicity…
Then stay away from concepts like ETTR and trying to use them before understanding them! This is impossible without a display, this is another dead end.
Why does Leica have that function on the MD262…
What function? An ETTR exposure mode?
Yes, press the button down and turn the wheel to use it…
The small silver button and the black wheel…!
Ettr would be my view - the point being that you only allow the bits you want to blow out. That might require negative exposure compensation and still be a ettr exposure.
Usually, the jpeg histogram the camera shows has some margin- due to the contrast curves and stronger green response than red and blue. There are all sorts of approaches to try and make the histograms match a raw histogram, but they do make the image look ugly and hard to read as well as, perhaps, being necessary with today’s sensors and their high dynamic range.
Ettl pushes shadows down into the noise floor, so seems a waste of potential. Theoretically, you will get increased posterisation too, although whether this will be visible is a moot point.
All assuming shooting raw.
I use manual mode
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