Hi Zhenya!
Svema is like Shostka cheese - the Northern Neighbor gets everything from Sumy Oblast because they can raise the prices when it crosses the border.
I did see some of the 64-speed in 35mm early this summer here in Kyiv, but I'm not sure how old it was. I was too excited by the fact that Ilford had discovered Ukraine and I can buy SFX-200 in 2 places within walking distance. Ahhh, civilization! After 5 years in an infrared desert.
I haven't seen anything from Svema in 120 for a long time. My understanding was that some movie film was still being produced for 'selected' art students and directors - the guy who won the short film award at Cannes last year was complaining about it, IIRC, and he had to buy film on the open market instead.
Actually, you have me wondering, because there is suddenly A LOT of Forte film, paper and chemistry here. I wonder where the film was really produced?
Cheers,
Jim
Sounds like they're re-purposing film made for use in medical imaging - most likely x-ray film. The thin base is puzzling though- Foma makes their 35mm photographic film on the same base stock that they use for x-ray film, which is why the base is blue-ish. But their LF film is not on thin stock- it is easily as thick as Ilfords.
Never, for the exact reasons you quote.Let me ask you/us another question: Do you /we wear, for example, sport shoes...
Oh...
This is question which underdevelop countries ask, and with very good point: "You developed countries polluted this planet from beginning of industrial revolution (from 19. century). For that time we were mostly agriculturan countries and mostly colonized by you. So now you are developed and rich countries which have money to invest in enviromental friendly industries. We just recently stared to develop our industry (after finally get rid of yours collonization) and we still don't have money for enviromental friendly industry, because it is expencive. So thoes that means that we can't develop our industry, and we must put ourselves again in another form of colonization, this time industrial/economical?
Let me ask you/us another question: Do you /we wear, for example, sport shoes. I think majority of us do, more or less. Do you ever look at "Made in..." label on those shoes box? Mostly they are made in Indonesia, Vietnam, Taiwan etc... Do you know those shoes are manufactured by 13, 14 years old children, mostly girls (because of hands/fingers sizes). And usuall sallary for them is around 0,5 USD per DAY for 12, 14 hours or so working day. Forget union/syndicate, health insurance, retirement/pension insurance, overtime payment, night shifts payments, labour laws... that doesn't exsists there.
And let us rememeber they work for European and US companies like Adidas, Nike, etc...
Do you think it is ethical to buy those shoes or not?
Same as for Chinese/USSR films.
Regards
You know, I don't think this is a cut and dried as people think. At the very least, trying to eliminate these jobs should probably be combined with an effort to get more aid to these people.
The more developed countries should be willing to subsidize clean industrial development for the developing world. It is in our own interest to see that the environment is cleaned up. If the rest of the developing world develops along the same lines we followed, we will choke our planet to death with pollution. A different route must be followed if we are to survive.
You know, I don't think this is a cut and dried as people think. If enough people were to refuse to buy these products and the companies stopped using child labor in these countries, what will happen to these children? Do you think they will suddenly have a better life than they have now? I think it is far more likely that they may simply sink further into poverty and starve to death. I wonder what those children would say if you asked them "Do you want to lose your job?"
I'm not saying that I think you're wrong here or that child labor is right - I just think it isn't as simple an issue as we are lead to believe. These jobs as hellish and cruel as they are may represent the only way these children can survive. At the very least, trying to eliminate these jobs should probably be combined with an effort to get more aid to these people.
Agree with first paragraph, that is developed world should GIVE FOR FREE OR VERY CHEAP solutions for enviromental friendly industry to developing world.
Second paragraph:
Do you know how much money can be earned with drugs, human trafficing, human organ trafficing, etc... Let's legaize it and manufacture it like cigarettes or food or...
I want to say it is wrong dillema. Solution is not to usie children and to pay workers honest sallary, not having excuses like "Atleast we give them job, so it is nothing wrong to treat them like slaves"
If that is good business, then let's us have same thing in our countries...
Do you know those shoes are manufactured by 13, 14 years old children, mostly girls (because of hands/fingers sizes). And usuall sallary for them is around 0,5 USD per DAY for 12, 14 hours or so working day. Forget union/syndicate, health insurance, retirement/pension insurance, overtime payment, night shifts payments, labour laws... that doesn't exsists there.
I never said there was nothing wrong with it or that it is O.K. to buy this stuff - just that it is not a simple issue and it doesn't have a simple solution. Sure it would be great to pay them "fair" wages, but what is the likely hood of that actually happening? The fact is we don't have control over these people's economy or system of government and the government they have is not interested in providing them a decent standard of living. So the question remains, if you simply take away their source of income, have you really helped them?
And governments doing that under influence (are payed/corrupted by) those western companies.
WRONG: The governments are already corrupt - removing the influence of western companies will not change that. These so called arrangements are imposed by the corrupt governments as the price of doing business in their country. Removing western companies from these countries won't change anything - they will remain corrupt and oppressive.
Western companies have choice:
1. to introduce wetern standards regarding working conditions
2. to accept corruption in those countries and to become corrupted too
It seems they choosed the latter...
Western companies do not have the choice to introduce western standards in other countries. ...
Changing the policies of an oppressive foreign government is not the job of a business - their job is to make money. Political change is the job of governments and international organizations like the UN.
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I lied, I must answer this.
Hungary (after change from communist to "democratic" country) wanted, to preserve their culture and like, wanted to pass a law stating: minimum 51 percent of all TV, cinema programmes must be European origine, and minimum 21 percent must be Hungarian origine.
USA association of producers I belive (MPAA) called World Bank. Then World bank said Hungarian government if government pass that law, World bank will not grant some loans and some contracts between bank and Hungary.
Just one example how (big) business use politics for earning money.
So, yes, business do use politics for their benefit, so business can use beside their money, also political influence for doing something good for people on this planet. They simply don't want to do that.
Regards
Dear Haris,WRONG: Western companies have arrangements with governments in those countries. SO, when workers of those companies start strike or other ways of fight for getting better working conditions, goverments send police and army to kill those workers. And governments doing that under influence (are payed/corrupted by) those western companies.
Companies are doing that only for one reason: to manufacture cheap and sell for high price. They are not doing that to be helpfull and provide jobs to those Asian or African people, and to support those countries economies.
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