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After owning this scanner for over a month, I finally put it to good use today, scanning up some rolls of 35mm and 120. This scanner has more contrast and slightly better sharpness, then my old 2400. I find the batch scanning really helps with 35mm, as you can set it to do that (by hitting thumbnail option on screen and select all). This scanner is a lot quicker then my old 2400 as well. It does the same scans in half the time, which speeds up the workflow. It still isn't recommended to do 35mm on this scanner, due to the softness in the image, but it will make acceptable scans for workflow. It was suggested to batch scan on the Epson, and then find the keepers in the bunch. Once that is selected, scan the "picks" you want on a dedicated 35mm film scanner. I use the Primefilm XA SE for that.

My one major pet peeve with this scanner system is the negative holders. I really hate these things in comparison to the old ones I used on the 2400. There is glass involved, which makes getting marks or dust on it, a real pain. And not one holder allowed me to slide the film in the notches once. They all sat on top of the notches, which made film flatness an issue. Some of my 35mm frame were out of focus in some parts. Thirdly the 120 film holder doesn't allow 3 frames of 6x7 to fit into it. It sticks out the end, and when you clamp the cover down, it indents your one frame of film. I had to not clamp down the end on subsequent tries, as to not damage the film. I liked the old film holders better which had a slot to slide the film into easily, and no glass involved. I might just keep my old 120 holder for this scanner, since you can slide a whole roll through it easily, and that holder keeps the film from going through crooked. That is another issue I had with the new film holders as well. Keeping the film straight. Only because I could not get it into the notches in the holder. But other then that, this scanner should work well for my scans of 120 and 4x5/8x10.

I haven't used color film on the new Epson yet, so I cannot say how its color is. I'll do that in a weeks time, when I pick up my C41 120 rolls.
 

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I had to replace my 4870 and did so with the Epson V850 Pro. The scanns (120 and 4x5) are comparable. I agree about the holders. I tried to adapt the old holders but they wouldn't work. The 850 came with an adapter that can permit placing the film on the glass. I use SilverFast software. You might try the adapter with the larger format film. I haven't gotton around to it yet but will try to modify the old holders to work with that attachment.

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I'm still using the V750, which is very similar to the 850 except for the light source (I think the light in the 850 is LED whereas in the 750 it is still using a fluorescent tube). Definitely recommend using SilverFast for your scanning software. Your scanner may have included a license for SilverFast AI 9 (If it didn't, the SilverFast license is worth the price of buying it new). If you are frustrated with the stock film holders, look into ordering a set from BetterScanning.com - he makes custom holders for 2 1/4 roll film and large format (I think he might do 35mm also, but not sure - I have the 2 1/4 and large format holders) and you can get them with your choice of snap-in ribs to separate the frames or anti-newton glass (a single piece, to go on top of the negative).
 

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I'm still using the V750, which is very similar to the 850 except for the light source (I think the light in the 850 is LED whereas in the 750 it is still using a fluorescent tube). Definitely recommend using SilverFast for your scanning software. Your scanner may have included a license for SilverFast AI 9 (If it didn't, the SilverFast license is worth the price of buying it new). If you are frustrated with the stock film holders, look into ordering a set from BetterScanning.com - he makes custom holders for 2 1/4 roll film and large format (I think he might do 35mm also, but not sure - I have the 2 1/4 and large format holders) and you can get them with your choice of snap-in ribs to separate the frames or anti-newton glass (a single piece, to go on top of the negative).

I thought Betterscanning was basically AWOL, are they taking orders again?
 
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The film is not supposed to go under the tabs called the film lock bevels but on top with 120 film. Then when you snap down the top it holds it correctly. See page 19+ of the V850 manual to see how to mount negatives for 35mm, 120, and 4x5. You might have to trim the film with 4x5. It's not as you may think.
https://www.manualslib.com/products/Epson-Perfection-V850-Pro-3661711.html
 
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If it's supposed to go on top, it curls the film because it's too tight, and it won't allow the film to be flat. Plus it doesn't keep the film in straight.
 

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I have the V750. For quick proofs, I lay film directly on the scanner glass, with AN glass over top to keep them flat. I only use those holder trays if the film is horribly curly.
 

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I have the Epson V850 Pro and I agree that the negative holders leave much to be desired. I do not scan very much so I can live with the negative holders.
 
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I have the V750. For quick proofs, I lay film directly on the scanner glass, with AN glass over top to keep them flat. I only use those holder trays if the film is horribly curly.
If the V750 is like the V850, it uses a second lens for scanning film on the platen glass. The better lens requires you do use the film holders made for the film format: 35mm. 120 or 4x5. The second lens provides worse resolution.
 
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If it's supposed to go on top, it curls the film because it's too tight, and it won't allow the film to be flat. Plus it doesn't keep the film in straight.
If you're referring to 4x5, that's sometimes true. You might have to cut the film down slightly to get it to lie between the tabs.
 
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I have a V750 Pro. For 35mm, the provided holders are ok. But for 120, I've begun using the wet mount method exclusively--once I learned how to do it, of course.
 
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I have a V750 Pro. For 35mm, the provided holders are ok. But for 120, I've begun using the wet mount method exclusively--once I learned how to do it, of course.
The V850 120 holders are the worse. Whoever at Epson designed, them, was out to lunch. Their designers should have asked their users. It was fine in the v600. I use to have my film cut in 3+3+2+2 so I can store in the plastic sheet holders and scan all three in the V600 holder.. But since the new 120 holders for the V850 are too short, the third film image gets squashed if you close the cover on the holder. So you have to cut up the 3 film lengths into 1+2 which is really bad and dumb. You'd think after twenty years or more of making these damn machines, Epson would stop screwing up over and over again each time they upgrade their machines. It's a good thing they don't work for NASA.
 

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If the V750 is like the V850, it uses a second lens for scanning film on the platen glass. The better lens requires you do use the film holders made for the film format: 35mm. 120 or 4x5. The second lens provides worse resolution.

And that is why laying negs on the platen is only for rough proofs. For serious scans, I wet mount 120 and 4x5 on the provided glass holder. 8x10 is wet mounted on AN glass, which is then flipped and slightly elevated by dimes on each corner.
 
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A full 8x10 holder for 16mm would be nice to have, but it sounds like some type of wet mounting would be an equivalent solution. Two 16mm strips will fit side-by-side in the V800/850 35mm holder, for a total of 60 frames in one go of mediocre film flatness. If you're lucky you can scan them as pairs of 35mm frames, otherwise get ready to draw little boxes or, more often, produce crops from a master scan.

The final of four 16mm cassettes of ektachrome I processed came out with a strong red hue but still scanned / auto-corrected well.

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L to R: 'Raw positive scan; V800 default 'color correction'; manual curve adjustment of raw scan

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I'm using a V700 plus Betterscanning holder and AN glass for scanning 120. Quite happy with the results.

One area of concern with the Epson flatbeds is the periodic cleaning required of the inside of the glass platen. This is presumably due to outgassing of certain materials within the scanner.

Disassembly and cleaning of the glass is not a problem. What the hell do we do with rest of the optical path?? If something is condensing on the inside of the platten to cause fogging then surely it is also condensing on any mirrors / lenses in the scanner assembly. Last time I had the scanner platen off for cleaning I wasn't feeling brave enough for additional disassembly to examine the optical system.

Any thoughts on this?
 

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I'm using a V700 plus Betterscanning holder and AN glass for scanning 120. Quite happy with the results.

One area of concern with the Epson flatbeds is the periodic cleaning required of the inside of the glass platen. This is presumably due to outgassing of certain materials within the scanner.

Disassembly and cleaning of the glass is not a problem. What the hell do we do with rest of the optical path?? If something is condensing on the inside of the platten to cause fogging then surely it is also condensing on any mirrors / lenses in the scanner assembly. Last time I had the scanner platen off for cleaning I wasn't feeling brave enough for additional disassembly to examine the optical system.

Any thoughts on this?
I don't have an answer for you, but have disassembled/cleaned the glass of a V700 as well. And surely the rest of the path is dirty too. I disassembled my Coolscan to inspect the mirror a few years ago and was shocked at how filthy the mirror was. Made me want to rescan everything!
 

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I don't have an answer for you, but have disassembled/cleaned the glass of a V700 as well. And surely the rest of the path is dirty too. I disassembled my Coolscan to inspect the mirror a few years ago and was shocked at how filthy the mirror was. Made me want to rescan everything!
I' ve also cleaned the mirror on my Coolscan 5000. Reassembly is a bit tricky but not too bad. As for the Vxxx Epson scanners???
 
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What would happen if I used the older Epson film holders for the 4x5 light adapter I was previously using? Would the V850 use the inferior lens if that film holder was used? Just seeing if I can use what I already have.
 
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I tried using the older Epson film holder for 120 on the scanner, but the V850 just wouldnt see the whole image. I gave up and resorted back to the stock V850 holder, which Im going to have to see about getting something else.
 

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This video is what convinced me to start wet mounting. I do essentially the same thing shown in the video, except I have a bit of a different variation of the wet-mount fluid (taken from the the MSDS sheets). As my V750 came with no instructions how to wet mount, my wet-mount tray sat idle for more than 10 years, and I didn't attempt to do it until after watching this video and seeing how easy it was.

 

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This video is what convinced me to start wet mounting. I do essentially the same thing shown in the video, except I have a bit of a different variation of the wet-mount fluid (taken from the the MSDS sheets). As my V750 came with no instructions how to wet mount, my wet-mount tray sat idle for more than 10 years, and I didn't attempt to do it until after watching this video and seeing how easy it was.



When I first got my V850, I watched that video and purchased the supplies he recommended. It was a fraction of the cost of the Kami wet mount fluid suggested by others.
 
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