Enlarger vs. scanner

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Much very sound advice has been given on this tricky subject. The film itself is the best form of archive. The method of obtaining prints/viewing images becomes the subject. The Imacon users group (for scanners) is once again discussing methods involving huge expendure in order to make safe digital archives. There are no easy answers - apart from film!

Whichever route you choose, the learning and spending needs to continue beyond what you outline above. By the very nature of this forum, the advice you receive here will be biased - towards the darkroom solution.

I think you need to really research (far more extensively than obtaining opinions from strangers, even in a friendly and knowledgeable community like APUG) what each option entails and break down pros and cons along with the extra expenditure - colour head for enlarger, photoshop software+ ICC profiling for scanner/monitor/printer etc. Also about how the facility will fit into your home and how much you will need to learn to achieve results with which you are happy.

You do not mention the split of B+W / Colour which you shoot - this could have a bearing.

For the scanner route -I agree that you do not necessarily need to spend as much on the scanner itself, but ought to look for one with a top quality lens and high Dmax for colour work.

The way of working itself is so very different and this ought to be something that will have a major say in your decision. Using computers cannot claim to be nearly so tactile or pleasurable as darkroom working; there are advantages which the digital workflow can offer..........

Ideally, to cover all bases, you should be thinking about both routes!!!!!!!
 

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roteague said:
A color print from a digital negative onto a traditional photographic paper is indistinguishable from one made by hand.

When making a small size print, 4x6 and 5x7, prints made optically using an enlarger or one that made with an old optical printer is of much higher resolution than one made digitally. This is the reason I go back to the darkroom as virtually all labs now use digital printers.
 

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Chan Tran said:
When making a small size print, 4x6 and 5x7, prints made optically using an enlarger or one that made with an old optical printer is of much higher resolution than one made digitally. This is the reason I go back to the darkroom as virtually all labs now use digital printers.

I am sorry, I have to disagree, the lab I worked at had a machine capable of making prints from the noritsu that were identical to the optical prints we made with the noritsu 1220 we had which was an opticle printer and the newer machine the 2900 was digital, in the 4x6 and 5x7 size, you could not tell the difference..hand made prints from a regular enlarger are sharper than any of the machines I have used.

R.
 

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Chan Tran said:
Just pull out a loupe and compare them or scan them on the flat bed at 600dpi or more.

I have many times, so I will stick with my statement, if your seeing differences I would suspect the opperator more than I would the equipment, there are many labs that employee people who don't know how to run either an optical or a digital printer. There are two many variables in scanners and skill levels to use a home scanner to determine print quality..I see to often the equipment gets blamed for something, when in truth it is the person running the equipment, but that is cool..

R.
 

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My vocabulary is pretty slim when it comes to Internet-speak...what's it called when someone drops a controversial subject into a forum, then sits back and watches the show?

Murray
 

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i believe from my limited internet vocabulary, it is trollling.
 

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Chan Tran said:
Just pull out a loupe and compare them or scan them on the flat bed at 600dpi or more.

The human eye can't resolve difference greater than 300 dpi on an traditional photographic print. Most digital printers run at 300 dpi.
 

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I don't believe the OP was a troll. Over a dozen posts ago, he said "thanks for the info" and departed... If there has been any trolling, it's been done by others since then. Just agree to disagree: you will never change the other persons opinion on these matters.
 
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As noted, I made my decision after about the 12th reply. I'm certain that I'm not the first to have agonized over this decision. Thanx again for all the input.
 

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Robert Ivy said:
As noted, I made my decision after about the 12th reply. I'm certain that I'm not the first to have agonized over this decision. Thanx again for all the input.

No problems, welcome to APUG. Normally, people post an introduction first, so some people jumped to conclusions when you jumped in with a controversial topic without giving us a chance to welcome you.
 

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In case of doubt, get both!
Each tool, for a specific end.

Are you related with Poison Ivy anyhow?

Cheers

André
 
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