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I've got a series of photos I'm working on, which I think will look best as salt prints. Up until this past year, I mostly printed on glossy fiber paper, but after seeing some salt prints and palladium prints a friend made, glossy just isn't doing it for me anymore, and I've come to really like the look of alt processes where the image is embedded in the paper.

There's one issue for me with traditional alt processes though, and thats contact printing. I shoot 8x10, so contact printing is possible, but I love big prints. I'd like this series to be at least 16x20, and maybe even 30x40, but as the shots are landscapes mostly, hiking around with a 30x40 camera would be a bit challenging. I know making large internegs is possible, but as of now I don't have access to good films for that (Bergger Printfilm is out of stock, and also the cost of that would add up over time). I also know I could make digital negatives, but I'd like to keep my process completely analog.

So, over the past few months, I've been working on ways to enlarge salt prints, and I think I'm getting close to a working process.

My first attempt was to build a UV head for my enlarger, long story short, it wasn't nearly bright enough standard salt prints. For a while I worked on designing an extremely powerful ~400 to ~600 watt condenser head for UV light, and I did finish designing it, but it would be very expensive to build, in large part due to the big water cooling loop which would be required to keep the LEDs from over heating.

That forced me to take a break in my search for enlargeable salt prints. The breakthrough I had which got me working on this again came while I was reading Jonathan Hilty's autochrome guide. I was reading the section about sensitizing the halides to get faster exposures, and realized that I may not be able to easily or affordably build an enlarger for printing traditional salt prints, but there shouldn't be a reason why I can't use more modern techniques to sensitize the process to visible light.

The first thing I did for this was to replace the sodium chloride salt usually used for salt prints out for ammonium bromide. From what I've read, silver bromides have a higher sensitivity range than silver chlorides, so using ammonium bromide increases the sensitivity of the paper to around 425nm, just within the visible range. To make it faster, I first looked into using steigmann's solution, which contains very small amounts of sodium thiosulfate and gold chloride which adds defects to the silver halides making them more reactive. Steigmann's solution must be heated to around 55c to activate though, and I couldn't figure out a good way of doing that. I did try using a heat press, but mine turns on at more than 55c, and it seemed to fog the paper. Talking with Jonathan though, he recommended I look into dye sensitizers for my process, and that's what I've done.

As I mentioned earlier, silver bromides are sensitive up to around 425nm, and with the addition of erythrosine, a red dye, they become sensitive up to around 525nm, making the halides orthochromatic. This is what I've found to be most effective. After the paper has been salted with ammonium bromide and dried, I brush a solution of erythrosine on to it. I've been told erythrosine works best when present before the formation of the halides, so I coat the erythrosine prior to the silver nitrate. This will make the paper pink, but it will wash out at the end, so there's no need to worry about the final prints being pink. For my latest tests, I've been adding erythrosine in the amount of 100mg per mole of silver. I may bump that to 200 and see if it makes the process any faster. Then, after the erythrosine has dried, I coat the paper with 15% silver nitrate, and leave that to dry.

As it is, this paper will now work for visible light contact printing, exposure times would depend on what your light source is, but I think it would be similar to normal salt printing given a similarly powerful lamp. Just creating a visible sensitive contact printing paper wasn't my goal though, so I began using gallic acid as a developer for the salt prints. This was a technique developed by a 19th century frenchman named Blanquart-Evrard, and theres a good thread in this forum on using it for normal salt prints. After exposure of the paper under my enlarger (15 minutes was what I did for my latest test) I brush a 1.4% solution of gallic acid over the paper to develop the image further. From what I understand, gallic acid takes free silver in the paper, and builds up density in the exposed areas... I'm not sure exactly how it works, but that's the general principle I think. More silver nitrate can be added to the gallic acid solution to make it build density faster, but in my experience adding silver nitrate leaves the print with a mottled texture I don't like.

This print I made yesterday has good density in the shadows, but the highlights are a bit dirty. I'm not sure exactly why that is, I think my gallic acid may have been contaminated with some silver nitrate since I had been using it throughout the day prior to making this print.

The process to create this image was as follows: Float paper on a solution of 2% ammonium bromide and 0.2% gelatin. Once dry, coat with erythrosine solution so that the erythrosine measures 100mg per mole of silver in the silver nitrate which will be used. Then, under a safelight since the process is visible sensitive, coat with 15% silver nitrate. Expose under an enlarger until the image is faintly visible. Brush a 1.4% solution of gallic acid over the print so that it completely covers, and wait a few minutes, if there isn't enough density, brush more over it and wait some more. Keep doing that until you have the tones you want. Then, fix and wash as you would a normal salt print.

Here are some images of the process, the first is the finished print, the second is erythrosine coated paper, the third is the print exposing under my enlarger, and the 4th is the print in the fixer remover bath.


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Very interesting. I once made a print using potassium bromide as the salt. It made an image and exposure was much shorter than chloride salts. Keep us posted.
 

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That's great! That print was made using a normal visible light enlarger?

I've tried potassium bromide as the salt too and the result was not as brown as that appears, at least when printed out. If you find that you do need to intensify a print, try adding very tiny amounts of silver nitrate during development, no more than a couple drops is needed. That might help avoid the mottling you noticed.

Great stuff!
 
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That's great! That print was made using a normal visible light enlarger?

I've tried potassium bromide as the salt too and the result was not as brown as that appears, at least when printed out. If you find that you do need to intensify a print, try adding very tiny amounts of silver nitrate during development, no more than a couple drops is needed. That might help avoid the mottling you noticed.

Great stuff!
The enlarger is not exactly standard, it’s a custom one I built, but it is using visible light. It has an LED source which is, by my measurements, at least a couple stops faster than most dichroic heads, so exposures might be closer to 30 or 60 minutes with a different enlarger. Much of that speed difference is due to the holographic diffuser I’m using, so changing the diffuser in another enlarger might help. I also may be able to shorten exposure by a couple stops if I change the chemistry slightly, I’m still experimenting.

In my experience with Gallic acid developer, it gets mottled when too much silver nitrate is added. This was the final print after several hours of testing, so my guess is it might have happened in this print because the Gallic acid beaker got contaminated with silver due to me forgetting to wash the brush thoroughly. The earlier tests didn’t have that problem, so I’m hoping if I keep the Gallic acid clean I won’t have as much trouble. We’ll see if that’s the case when I run more tests later this week, but I ran out of ammonium bromide yesterday, so I’ll have to wait for that to arrive before I can keep testing
 
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That's great! That print was made using a normal visible light enlarger?

I've tried potassium bromide as the salt too and the result was not as brown as that appears, at least when printed out. If you find that you do need to intensify a print, try adding very tiny amounts of silver nitrate during development, no more than a couple drops is needed. That might help avoid the mottling you noticed.

Great stuff!

Oh, also, did you use citric acid when you tested potassium bromide? I have a suspicion that it might help create the more brown tones as opposed to purple, but I haven’t tested that theory much
 

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Oh, also, did you use citric acid when you tested potassium bromide? I have a suspicion that it might help create the more brown tones as opposed to purple, but I haven’t tested that theory much

I don't remember specifically, but I probably added some citric acid to the silver nitrate before sensitizing. The tones were nearly black ( I didn't like the look very much and never tried it again! ) but I do remember it printed a bit faster.

For calotypes, addition of a little bromide can get a little sensitivity nearly down to the high end of green. ( If you look w/ Google, you might find an article by Abney with spectral sensitivity of various silver salts ) When developing calotypes ( which are mostly silver iodide ) in gallic acid, when the sludge appears they say the developer is "decomposing" and it can leave a dirty blackish film on the calotype and the sides of the tray. When that happens, it's time to dump it out and use fresh gallic acid solution, and the "sludge" can be wiped off with a cotton ball. I've seen that happen when development takes longer than an hour or two. So it's possible what you saw was more a result of using the gallic acid solution too long.. it's not terribly stable, especially if there is some silver in it. ( I'm just guessing! I haven't developed a salt print myself. It's really cool to see you getting nice results with it... bravo! )
 
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I don't remember specifically, but I probably added some citric acid to the silver nitrate before sensitizing. The tones were nearly black ( I didn't like the look very much and never tried it again! ) but I do remember it printed a bit faster.

For calotypes, addition of a little bromide can get a little sensitivity nearly down to the high end of green. ( If you look w/ Google, you might find an article by Abney with spectral sensitivity of various silver salts ) When developing calotypes ( which are mostly silver iodide ) in gallic acid, when the sludge appears they say the developer is "decomposing" and it can leave a dirty blackish film on the calotype and the sides of the tray. When that happens, it's time to dump it out and use fresh gallic acid solution, and the "sludge" can be wiped off with a cotton ball. I've seen that happen when development takes longer than an hour or two. So it's possible what you saw was more a result of using the gallic acid solution too long.. it's not terribly stable, especially if there is some silver in it. ( I'm just guessing! I haven't developed a salt print myself. It's really cool to see you getting nice results with it... bravo! )

I hadn't read that Abney article, but just found it on the royal society website, and it looks like a great resource. Thanks for mentioning it to me!
 

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In Abney's manual about platinum printing direct platinum enlargment is mentioned. Also I've read in Dick Arentz book that printing speed is about the same between blb and aqua(415nm), I guess because ferric oxalate is sensitive up to violet range, so you can make Kallitypes, technically still using silver nitrate as image forming metal salt.
 

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Wouldn't it be easier and less expensive to simply make enlarged negatives the size you want for alt printing? It works for me.
 

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It works for me.

For me, it didn't. I found digital negatives a horror to work with for a variety of reasons. It can be done right, but I didn't feel like dropping the thousands of Euro's to go that route and still be stuck with tedious tasks like profiling and tending to digital equipment only to make non-digital prints.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but I totally understand why people would want to avoid digital negatives.
 

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For me, it didn't. I found digital negatives a horror to work with for a variety of reasons. It can be done right, but I didn't feel like dropping the thousands of Euro's to go that route and still be stuck with tedious tasks like profiling and tending to digital equipment only to make non-digital prints.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but I totally understand why people would want to avoid digital negatives.

I don't make digital negatives, I do it totally old school with film inter positives then enlarge to negatives. The only digital work I do is scan the finished prints (if they fit my all in one scanner) and use a cheap P&S digisnapper to list things for sale.
 

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Alright, sorry about that; I assumed you were doing the digital route when you mentioned enlarged negatives, because that's what most people do these days. Your route also works and personally I think it gives far better results than nearly all digital negatives. I can still imagine directly enlarging to a salt print being quicker, though.
 
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In Abney's manual about platinum printing direct platinum enlargment is mentioned. Also I've read in Dick Arentz book that printing speed is about the same between blb and aqua(415nm), I guess because ferric oxalate is sensitive up to violet range, so you can make Kallitypes, technically still using silver nitrate as image forming metal salt.

I tried kallitypes as well, but exposures would have to be in the range of hours to get enough density. What I'm currently working on is building a condenser head for the enlarger which should allow faster printing of both kallitypes and calotypes. I'm thinking once I have the brighter head, I will likely print kallitypes mostly, as my enlarged calotypes haven't been as sharp as I would like. Thinking about it now, that may be because of overdevelopment with the gallic acid, so perhaps a greater exposure and less development will help with that too.
 
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Wouldn't it be easier and less expensive to simply make enlarged negatives the size you want for alt printing? It works for me.

easier definitely, but I'd like to make 32x40 prints, and at that size enlarged negatives gets fairly pricey. The only ortho film which is currently made in that size (I think) is bergger printfilm, which while a great film, is also pricier than the others like arista ortho litho, and would be about $70 per enlarged negative. If I don't get the negative right on the first try, thats several hundred dollars per negative. compared to the cost of creating a system for direct enlargements, especially long term, what I'm doing seems like the better option to me.

[edit: I guess ortho litho actually is available in 30x40, but a package of that costs $1650, which is more than the cost of the system I'm working on]
 
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my enlarged calotypes haven't been as sharp as I would like.
I'm probably preaching to the choir, but, well that never stops one.

I assume you are correcting for 'chemical focus' - in the old days of wet plate photography with UV sensitive plates the camera had to be racked a bit after focusing at 'visual focus' to bring the UV rays into focus, much like the red 'R' or dot for infrared focus on many camera lenses. UV light was called 'chemical light' in the 1800's because it caused chemical changes in substances.
 
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I'm probably preaching to the choir, but, well that never stops one.

I assume you are correcting for 'chemical focus' - in the old days of wet plate photography with UV sensitive plates the camera had to be racked a bit after focusing at 'visual focus' to bring the UV rays into focus, much like the red 'R' or dot for infrared focus on many camera lenses. UV light was called 'chemical light' in the 1800's because it caused chemical changes in substances.

For these prints, I've been using paper sensitized with erythrosin, and exposing with blue light, so I don't think that's an issue which would cause out of focus behavior here
 

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For these prints, I've been using paper sensitized with erythrosin, and exposing with blue light...

Although now sensitive to green, the paper may still be sensitive to UV. Without filtration it may be impossible to get UV and green to come to a common focus. It may be that a green filter would help, or just a bog standard UV/Skylight filter.
 
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Although now sensitive to green, the paper may still be sensitive to UV. Without filtration it may be impossible to get UV and green to come to a common focus. It may be that a green filter would help, or just a bog standard UV/Skylight filter.

My light source uses 450nm blue and 535nm green LEDs, and other than that there are only safelights in the room, so I don't think there's any UV contributing to the exposure, aside from perhaps a very small amount on the tail of the blue LEDs
 

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I tried kallitypes as well, but exposures would have to be in the range of hours to get enough density. What I'm currently working on is building a condenser head for the enlarger which should allow faster printing of both kallitypes and calotypes. I'm thinking once I have the brighter head, I will likely print kallitypes mostly, as my enlarged calotypes haven't been as sharp as I would like. Thinking about it now, that may be because of overdevelopment with the gallic acid, so perhaps a greater exposure and less development will help with that too.
I've just checked Abney text, he says that with 2 condensers and 1100 candel carbon arc x2 enlargment of quarter plate exposure should be around 15-15 minutes.
 

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One major drawback I see to enlarged salt prints is the length of time it takes to print. This would leave room for vibrations to introduce slight blur effect same as enlarging traditional silver gelatin prints, or even more so as the enlarging times are considerably longer the bigger the enlargement. You would need a super powerful actinic light source to keep printing times short(ish). Contact printing removes this issue, of course you would need a large vacuum easel which should be cheaper to construct than an enlarger.
 
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I've got a series of photos I'm working on, which I think will look best as salt prints. Up until this past year, I mostly printed on glossy fiber paper, but after seeing some salt prints and palladium prints a friend made, glossy just isn't doing it for me anymore, and I've come to really like the look of alt processes where the image is embedded in the paper.

There's one issue for me with traditional alt processes though, and thats contact printing. I shoot 8x10, so contact printing is possible, but I love big prints. I'd like this series to be at least 16x20, and maybe even 30x40, but as the shots are landscapes mostly, hiking around with a 30x40 camera would be a bit challenging. I know making large internegs is possible, but as of now I don't have access to good films for that (Bergger Printfilm is out of stock, and also the cost of that would add up over time). I also know I could make digital negatives, but I'd like to keep my process completely analog.

So, over the past few months, I've been working on ways to enlarge salt prints, and I think I'm getting close to a working process.

My first attempt was to build a UV head for my enlarger, long story short, it wasn't nearly bright enough standard salt prints. For a while I worked on designing an extremely powerful ~400 to ~600 watt condenser head for UV light, and I did finish designing it, but it would be very expensive to build, in large part due to the big water cooling loop which would be required to keep the LEDs from over heating.

That forced me to take a break in my search for enlargeable salt prints. The breakthrough I had which got me working on this again came while I was reading Jonathan Hilty's autochrome guide. I was reading the section about sensitizing the halides to get faster exposures, and realized that I may not be able to easily or affordably build an enlarger for printing traditional salt prints, but there shouldn't be a reason why I can't use more modern techniques to sensitize the process to visible light.

The first thing I did for this was to replace the sodium chloride salt usually used for salt prints out for ammonium bromide. From what I've read, silver bromides have a higher sensitivity range than silver chlorides, so using ammonium bromide increases the sensitivity of the paper to around 425nm, just within the visible range. To make it faster, I first looked into using steigmann's solution, which contains very small amounts of sodium thiosulfate and gold chloride which adds defects to the silver halides making them more reactive. Steigmann's solution must be heated to around 55c to activate though, and I couldn't figure out a good way of doing that. I did try using a heat press, but mine turns on at more than 55c, and it seemed to fog the paper. Talking with Jonathan though, he recommended I look into dye sensitizers for my process, and that's what I've done.

As I mentioned earlier, silver bromides are sensitive up to around 425nm, and with the addition of erythrosine, a red dye, they become sensitive up to around 525nm, making the halides orthochromatic. This is what I've found to be most effective. After the paper has been salted with ammonium bromide and dried, I brush a solution of erythrosine on to it. I've been told erythrosine works best when present before the formation of the halides, so I coat the erythrosine prior to the silver nitrate. This will make the paper pink, but it will wash out at the end, so there's no need to worry about the final prints being pink. For my latest tests, I've been adding erythrosine in the amount of 100mg per mole of silver. I may bump that to 200 and see if it makes the process any faster. Then, after the erythrosine has dried, I coat the paper with 15% silver nitrate, and leave that to dry.

As it is, this paper will now work for visible light contact printing, exposure times would depend on what your light source is, but I think it would be similar to normal salt printing given a similarly powerful lamp. Just creating a visible sensitive contact printing paper wasn't my goal though, so I began using gallic acid as a developer for the salt prints. This was a technique developed by a 19th century frenchman named Blanquart-Evrard, and theres a good thread in this forum on using it for normal salt prints. After exposure of the paper under my enlarger (15 minutes was what I did for my latest test) I brush a 1.4% solution of gallic acid over the paper to develop the image further. From what I understand, gallic acid takes free silver in the paper, and builds up density in the exposed areas... I'm not sure exactly how it works, but that's the general principle I think. More silver nitrate can be added to the gallic acid solution to make it build density faster, but in my experience adding silver nitrate leaves the print with a mottled texture I don't like.

This print I made yesterday has good density in the shadows, but the highlights are a bit dirty. I'm not sure exactly why that is, I think my gallic acid may have been contaminated with some silver nitrate since I had been using it throughout the day prior to making this print.

The process to create this image was as follows: Float paper on a solution of 2% ammonium bromide and 0.2% gelatin. Once dry, coat with erythrosine solution so that the erythrosine measures 100mg per mole of silver in the silver nitrate which will be used. Then, under a safelight since the process is visible sensitive, coat with 15% silver nitrate. Expose under an enlarger until the image is faintly visible. Brush a 1.4% solution of gallic acid over the print so that it completely covers, and wait a few minutes, if there isn't enough density, brush more over it and wait some more. Keep doing that until you have the tones you want. Then, fix and wash as you would a normal salt print.

Here are some images of the process, the first is the finished print, the second is erythrosine coated paper, the third is the print exposing under my enlarger, and the 4th is the print in the fixer remover bath.


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As usual, I'm late to the forum. I'd read an article about the development of orthochromatic plates by it's inventor Hermann Wilhelm Vogel. His addition of an antireflective dye, Korallin made his emulsion sensitive to the yellow spectrum up to a, I believe, 590nm wavelength. My question here, is the making of an emulsion as sensitive to the yellow as the blue just going to produce an ortho emulsion with all of it's contrast or should dropping the emulsion's sensitivity back into the blue with Eythrosin be necessary in order to keep the contrast in check? This has probably been discussed but damned if I've seen where. At this point is it really an actinic process anyway? I'm not sure if the emulsion stays sensitive to the UV range and would that destroy the look of salt prints to begin with? What ever the case I specifically went out and bought an Omega Dii because of reading your post here. Time to answer some questions especially if this means I'm able to make enlarged prints with an actinic emulsion. I'm too afraid I'd frag a negative under the kind of UV light necessary. 1000 watts is a lot of heat and the time still necessary to print out would destroy my electric bill.
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As usual, I'm late to the forum. I'd read an article about the development of orthochromatic plates by it's inventor Hermann Wilhelm Vogel. His addition of an antireflective dye, Korallin made his emulsion sensitive to the yellow spectrum up to a, I believe, 590nm wavelength. My question here, is the making of an emulsion as sensitive to the yellow as the blue just going to produce an ortho emulsion with all of it's contrast or should dropping the emulsion's sensitivity back into the blue with Eythrosin be necessary in order to keep the contrast in check? This has probably been discussed but damned if I've seen where. At this point is it really an actinic process anyway? I'm not sure if the emulsion stays sensitive to the UV range and would that destroy the look of salt prints to begin with? What ever the case I specifically went out and bought an Omega Dii because of reading your post here. Time to answer some questions especially if this means I'm able to make enlarged prints with an actinic emulsion. I'm too afraid I'd frag a negative under the kind of UV light necessary. 1000 watts is a lot of heat and the time still necessary to print out would destroy my electric bill.
Thanks, Tony

I'm afraid I don't know enough of the science to be of much help here. I didn't do much research, just read somewhere that erythrosin adds to the green sensitivity of emulsions and figured I would try it with salted paper. Jonathan Hilty might be of more help than I can be. He's been working on making autochromes and has created a panchromatic emulsion for them. He helped me a bit with my explorations, I believe he goes by ThePhotoChemist on this forum
 

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At this point is it really an actinic process anyway?

Yes, inherently so. To the best of my knowledge silver salts inherently remain UV-sensitive even if you broaden this spectral sensitivity into the longer wavelengths. In color film this is dealt with using filter layers between the emulsions.

I'm too afraid I'd frag a negative under the kind of UV light necessary.

Not too worried about that; silver negatives can take a lot of abuse, it seems.
Have you seen this: https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/diy-31-megapixel-enlarger.197305
The type of LCD's used in those are primarily intended for (intense) UV exposure. Might be interesting in combination with alt. process printing.

I believe he goes by ThePhotoChemist on this forum

Let's see if we can summon @ThePhotoChemist by alerting him to this thread :smile:
 
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