End of road for MF/LF...

[Ian Grant]

Just imagine what you could do using a scanned 8x10 negative.

I said that earlier in the thread

After about 13 or 14 hours the program is still hung at 1% up-sizing a small 6mb photo by 6x.

Ian

 

[markbau]

My partner is a master knitter, she writes patterns, judges knitting competitions and is the product development manager for the last commercial wool mill in Australia. When home knitting machines became widely available it was predicted that hand knitting would die, after all, with a skilled operator a knitting machine produces flawless knitting. Guess what? Hand knitting is huge and machine knitting is a niche market at best. The OP doesn’t seem to understand the difference between a technicaly “perfect” digital print and a hand made wet print, we are talking about apples and oranges. Some people are happy sitting in front of a computer, good for them, but I, and many others prefer the process to be a little more tactile. It’s always funny when someone makes an absurd absolute statement and then get defensive when people don’t agree. The OP, I think, enjoys stirring the pot, like Alfred said “some people just like to watch the world burn”

 

[pentaxuser]

I wasn't actually looking for which image "looked better" as a finished image, but rather which had more fidelity to the original image, whether it looked good or not. .

Giga is much less expensive compared to Photoshop, so for those interested it's certainly worth your while to give it a free trial.

Thanks for the clarification. My reaction to your pre and post Giga shots was simply which looked clearer and in looking so did not seem to lose anything in return for the clearer look

I may not be the man in the street in terms of what I look for but in terms of film's future I have a terrible feeling that this may well be what most consumers of Photography will also look for.

pentaxuser

 

[Michael Firstlight]

I make gigapixel images for wall commercial indoor wall murals measured in many feet by many feet. There are limits to what interpolation can do. When I need to create really large commercial indoor wall murals that I've made, neither ULF film nor any up-rez software works for pin-sharp murals for in0room up close viewing (sometimes a visitor center, sometimes a ug building lobby etc), the only way to do it right and well is shooting a matrix and and stitching, which (at least for static subjects) I fully automate using a Gigapixel Pro and StitchEFX. Even when not making large murals things start to get muddy very quickly using any other method. I'm sure this SW is an improvement for when folks need to crop heavily and get a better result, but again, there are limits. Want to really find out? Take a single 36MP or 46MP capture and use this SW or any SW to enlarge that single frame to say, 10x30 feet and then view it in actual size in Photoshop or whatever you'll still see only blotches. Now for images viewed at bill-board distance that will suffice, but as I said, there are real limits otherwise.

MFL

 

[Sirius Glass]

My partner is a master knitter, she writes patterns, judges knitting competitions and is the product development manager for the last commercial wool mill in Australia. When home knitting machines became widely available it was predicted that hand knitting would die, after all, with a skilled operator a knitting machine produces flawless knitting. Guess what? Hand knitting is huge and machine knitting is a niche market at best. The OP doesn’t seem to understand the difference between a technicaly “perfect” digital print and a hand made wet print, we are talking about apples and oranges. Some people are happy sitting in front of a computer, good for them, but I, and many others prefer the process to be a little more tactile. It’s always funny when someone makes an absurd absolute statement and then get defensive when people don’t agree. The OP, I think, enjoys stirring the pot, like Alfred said “some people just like to watch the world burn”

Great point. I remember that and people were running around in circles, crying their eyes out, shouting "We are doomed We are doomed!! How will I ever sell my knitting needles!" An yet yarns are still available and knitting machines are a smaller market. I will keep on using film cameras as long as I wish.

 

[KenS]

Well I'm trying it and it's hung at 1%. I have excellent resizing software works well up-sizing but my use id for downsizing for Internet use.

Reminds me of the people in the 60's & 70's who said using micro film in a 35mm camera gave LF quality, and then Tech Pan would make LF obsolete, they were so naive because Tech Pan was also available as LF sheet film

So if this miracle software actually worked (still 30+ mins at 1%), I could use it to up-size my 10x8 negative scans (already 1gb and B&W)

Ian

Funny that this should 'come up' just a few days after I found an forgotten unopened 'Brick' of 20 rolls in my freezer...and... dammit !, I no longer use my ageing Pentax Spotmatic with the 100 mm Macro lens 'almost' permanently mounted there-on since I 'retired' those many years ago (in 1997) and as of to-day still much 'prefer' getting under the dark-cloth with either my Linhof monorail or my much experience 8x10 B&J 'woodie' that 'lost' its old grey paint and was 're-done' with a tung oil based 'varnish'

Ken

 

[KenS]

Great point. (big snip) I will keep on using film cameras as long as I wish.

Sirius.. sir
I ran into that kind of 'thinking' when (after my forced 'retirement' (read 'downsizing) From a Govt. Research Department with the 'arrival' of digital that made it faster/easier for the scientists and their support staff to 'do all the photography for them-selves rather a "Board Certified" (by examination) Biological Photographer.
But they continued (for a while) to call me for a film 're-do' when the Journal 'editors' much preferred a 'real' B/W paper print.. knowing it had little to no chance of being "modified".

Ken

 

[Cholentpot]

Great point. I remember that and people were running around in circles, crying their eyes out, shouting "We are doomed We are doomed!! How will I ever sell my knitting needles!" An yet yarns are still available and knitting machines are a smaller market. I will keep on using film cameras as long as I wish.

My partner is a master knitter, she writes patterns, judges knitting competitions and is the product development manager for the last commercial wool mill in Australia. When home knitting machines became widely available it was predicted that hand knitting would die, after all, with a skilled operator a knitting machine produces flawless knitting. Guess what? Hand knitting is huge and machine knitting is a niche market at best. The OP doesn’t seem to understand the difference between a technicaly “perfect” digital print and a hand made wet print, we are talking about apples and oranges. Some people are happy sitting in front of a computer, good for them, but I, and many others prefer the process to be a little more tactile. It’s always funny when someone makes an absurd absolute statement and then get defensive when people don’t agree. The OP, I think, enjoys stirring the pot, like Alfred said “some people just like to watch the world burn”

Good parable.

I always point to fountain pens. They seem to be pretty popular still even though a word processor can do a better job every time.

Being able to work with film and get great results shows skill and knowledge. This in turn when paired with creativity can sometimes lead to, I forget the term. It starts with an A and rhymes with mart and part and cart. Something that is engaging and beautiful and shows skill, time, effort and thought....

Oh never mind.

 

[mshchem]

My partner is a master knitter, she writes patterns, judges knitting competitions and is the product development manager for the last commercial wool mill in Australia. When home knitting machines became widely available it was predicted that hand knitting would die, after all, with a skilled operator a knitting machine produces flawless knitting. Guess what? Hand knitting is huge and machine knitting is a niche market at best. The OP doesn’t seem to understand the difference between a technicaly “perfect” digital print and a hand made wet print, we are talking about apples and oranges. Some people are happy sitting in front of a computer, good for them, but I, and many others prefer the process to be a little more tactile. It’s always funny when someone makes an absurd absolute statement and then get defensive when people don’t agree. The OP, I think, enjoys stirring the pot, like Alfred said “some people just like to watch the world burn”

My mother could knit, read, and drink coffee simultaneously. I take great care with the quilts and afghans she made.
I live close to a Amish community, we seem to cross paths at the 2nd hand stores, grocery etc. I'm always so impressed with the fact that their clothes fit and are so lovely. I suspect that I have 10 times the inventory of clothes as these folks with 1/10 that truly fit. Thus mass produced anything vs. a handmade article.

 

[jvo]

the king is dead... long live the king!

 

[awty]

My mother could knit, read, and drink coffee simultaneously. I take great care with the quilts and afghans she made.
I live close to a Amish community, we seem to cross paths at the 2nd hand stores, grocery etc. I'm always so impressed with the fact that their clothes fit and are so lovely. I suspect that I have 10 times the inventory of clothes as these folks with 1/10 that truly fit. Thus mass produced anything vs. a handmade article.

Things made by hand are special and worth keeping.

 

[Paul Manuell]

Call me stupid - "You're stupid!" - but what am I supposed to be looking at with the OP's post, other than a photo and a crop from it?

 

[Cholentpot]

Call me stupid - "You're stupid!" - but what am I supposed to be looking at with the OP's post, other than a photo and a crop from it?

I'm not sure either...

 

[mark]

Call me stupid - "You're stupid!" - but what am I supposed to be looking at with the OP's post, other than a photo and a crop from it?

I was wondering the same. I guess we all gotta do what we do.

 

[benjiboy]

I'm more interested if my pictures " say" anything than their absolute photo - technical quality, and I'm happy with the resolution that Canon FD cameras and lenses give me. I never want to become a " pixel peeper ".

 

[Luckless]

End of the road for medium and large format eh? I can do it all on a smaller 35mm slr you say?

Neat. I didn't know anyone was making cheap but well made ... [looking up some comparison charts...] 25mm f/0.9 lenses?

The 20mm f/0.8 lens sounds really impressive too!

Something tells me that people claiming the death of large and medium format photography may not have done a great deal of large or medium format photography...

 

[Cholentpot]

End of the road for medium and large format eh? I can do it all on a smaller 35mm slr you say?

Neat. I didn't know anyone was making cheap but well made ... [looking up some comparison charts...] 25mm f/0.9 lenses?

The 20mm f/0.8 lens sounds really impressive too!

Something tells me that people claiming the death of large and medium format photography may not have done a great deal of large or medium format photography...

35mm is for chumps.

16mm is where it's at.

 

[Luckless]

35mm is for chumps.

16mm is where it's at.

Lots of cheap and readily available 15mm f/0.5 lenses for 16mm cameras? Neat.

 

[Cholentpot]

Lots of cheap and readily available 15mm f/0.5 lenses for 16mm cameras? Neat.

15mm is not wide enough.

 

[kevs]

"End of road for MF/LF... "

Oh look, another 'film is dead' post. How twee.

 

[markbau]

"End of road for MF/LF... "

Oh look, another 'film is dead' post. How twee.

Not really a "film is dead" post. The OP likes to think he has an amazing esoteric understanding of the photographic process and "the arts" in general, he loves to put a post up that will incite the peasants. It's how he gets his kicks.

 

[removed account4]

Not really a "film is dead" post. The OP likes to think he has an amazing esoteric understanding of the photographic process and "the arts" in general, he loves to put a post up that will incite the peasants. It's how he gets his kicks.

maybe? but i think its more about opening the eyes of people who might not realize this sort of thing exists. after all we are clueless until we have a clue. (years ago ( maybe 2007) i gave 4x4 contact sheet / 72dpi scans of a project i did to the pr agent handling the publicity -- he said "perfect!" he made posters of some of the 4x5 prints. i always wondered what he used, and now i know.)
for all intents and porpoises LF and MF have been dead for a long long time. my cellphone can take photographs as good as any MF camera i have owned ( including a roll back on a 4x5 PC rig ) and it is not very hard to make enlarged digital negatives from a casio i-watch file to make a luxurious 30x40 23layer gum over platinum over cyanotype. people who use LF and MF cameras these days do it not because its all there is, but because they have a good time doing it, and the "modern technique factor" doesn't tickle their funny bone the same way as MF/LF. i mean if someone suggested that "buggy whips" were dead would anyone question that ? https://www.cheshirehorse.com/jacks...w3m8DWZCnLBOMCRL-bF0boKXH970VzmQaAoe4EALw_wcB

 

[Vaughn]

Leave the poor porpoises out of this!

 

[jtk]

I make gigapixel images for wall commercial indoor wall murals measured in many feet by many feet. There are limits to what interpolation can do. When I need to create really large commercial indoor wall murals that I've made, neither ULF film nor any up-rez software works for pin-sharp murals for in0room up close viewing (sometimes a visitor center, sometimes a ug building lobby etc), the only way to do it right and well is shooting a matrix and and stitching, which (at least for static subjects) I fully automate using a Gigapixel Pro and StitchEFX. Even when not making large murals things start to get muddy very quickly using any other method. I'm sure this SW is an improvement for when folks need to crop heavily and get a better result, but again, there are limits. Want to really find out? Take a single 36MP or 46MP capture and use this SW or any SW to enlarge that single frame to say, 10x30 feet and then view it in actual size in Photoshop or whatever you'll still see only blotches. Now for images viewed at bill-board distance that will suffice, but as I said, there are real limits otherwise.

MFL

Michael, what's to stop Stitch and the like from replacing all scanners AND from replacing today's primative camera sensors?

 

[removed account4]

Leave the poor porpoises out of this!