Ektar 100 to be offered in Large Format

Mahler_one · Feb 17, 2010

It will be interesting David to see if the Kodak bashers will now buy some film from Kodak. Obviously if LF photographers using color film chose to ignore the new film then the inexorable will occur....i.e., the film will go bye bye and then the complaints will begin again.

colrehogan · Feb 17, 2010

I love how they used the clips from Duran Duran's Girls on Film at the beginning and end of the radio interview with Scott DiSabato.

Existing Light · Feb 17, 2010

Quote:
Originally Posted by Existing Light
I wonder how difficult pinhole color photography is...

Easy peasy. C41 development is almost as easy as b&w.

Doesnt really long exposures affect color balance? If so, can it be fixed in printing? Pinhole might be the only way for me to get in to large format color in the near future

John Shriver · Feb 17, 2010

So rent an 8x10 camera. At Calumet, $25 a day for the camera, about $35 a day for a lens, $5 a day for film holders. Totally insignificant compared to how fast you can run up a film and processing bill with E-6 or Ektar 100 film!

erikg · Feb 17, 2010

Boy, that is for sure. 8x10 chromes are pretty amazing on the light box though. I think we should cut Ari some slack, he is on Crete so renting from Calumet-- a little tough.

David A. Goldfarb · Feb 17, 2010

Existing Light said:
Doesnt really long exposures affect color balance? If so, can it be fixed in printing? Pinhole might be the only way for me to get in to large format color in the near future

Yes, there are reciprocity issues with long exposures, but the Kodak data sheet for Ektar 100 says that for exposures longer than 1 sec., make your own tests. You might experiment with 120 before exposing sheets of 8x10" at around $8 a sheet plus processing, which is the price for Portra 160NC/VC.

Usually reciprocity related color shifts can be fixed in printing by adjusting the filter pack, but it's usually good to try and filter in the camera if you can to avoid color crossover effects and leave some room for slight adjustments when printing.

Athiril · Feb 17, 2010

Existing Light said:
Doesnt really long exposures affect color balance? If so, can it be fixed in printing? Pinhole might be the only way for me to get in to large format color in the near future

Depends on the film, Fuji's datasheets given correction filters to be used. Astia 100f is probably the best for long exp without correction.

kraker · Feb 18, 2010

John Shriver said:
So rent an 8x10 camera. At Calumet, $25 a day for the camera, about $35 a day for a lens, $5 a day for film holders. Totally insignificant compared to how fast you can run up a film and processing bill with E-6 or Ektar 100 film!

Hm, there's an interesting thought! Time to check the prices at the local Calumet...

edit: never mind, Calumet in .nl only rents Canon, Nikon and Hasselblad... :-(

arigram · Feb 18, 2010

John Shriver said:
So rent an 8x10 camera. At Calumet, $25 a day for the camera, about $35 a day for a lens, $5 a day for film holders. Totally insignificant compared to how fast you can run up a film and processing bill with E-6 or Ektar 100 film!

Does anyone else have any other bright ideas?
How about I rent a photographer with an 8x10 camera and I direct him with a web cam and google earth? Or how about someone rents the camera for me and sends it over? Or maybe I should build one myself, including the lens and shutter. Don't mention pinhole, I already have a 120 one.

paul_c5x4 · Feb 18, 2010

arigram said:
Does anyone else have any other bright ideas?

How about an international APUG gathering - You supply the beer, we bring the camera(s).

Steve Smith · Feb 18, 2010

paul_c5x4 said:
How about an international APUG gathering - You supply the beer, we bring the camera(s).

Good idea. How much is the bus fare to Crete?

Steve.

arigram · Feb 18, 2010

paul_c5x4 said:
How about an international APUG gathering - You supply the beer, we bring the camera(s).

You crazy? The beer you people will end up drinking will be far more than the airplane tickets and hotel costs!
Seriously, I would love to have a whole bunch of photographers to guide around, as there is so much to photograph in this place.

But let us not steer the thread even further off topic.

Shangheye · Feb 18, 2010

arigram said:
You crazy? The beer you people will end up drinking will be far more than the airplane tickets and hotel costs!
Seriously, I would love to have a whole bunch of photographers to guide around, as there is so much to photograph in this place.

But let us not steer the thread even further off topic.

...Too late for that, the horse has already bolted (to coin an English phrase)

PS A friend of mine came up with a great savings scheme, just put away 10cents for every beer you drink, at the end you will either be very healthy and rich, or you will have enough money to pay for the Liver trasplant you will need.

ON TOPIC: I think it is great that Kodak is introducing a film (even if it is only a format addition) rather than product deletions. they broke my heart with stopping TXP, and I can't forgive them for that, but it doesn't mean I don't appreciate when they do someting great. K

domaz · Feb 19, 2010

Has anybody thought that this probably means Ektar will eventually be the only color film Kodak offers? That is probably their goal with making it available in all formats. It is a good way for them to maximize profits in an era of dwindling film sales.

Alexander Ghaffari · Feb 19, 2010

As I told all the naysayers who criticized there not being Ektar 100 in 120 format after it came out...take that! Ditto to all the photog emos who said that they would not use it because it was not available in 4x5 and/or 8x10...take that!!!

Awesome news.

hrst · Feb 19, 2010

domaz said:
Has anybody thought that this probably means Ektar will eventually be the only color film Kodak offers? That is probably their goal with making it available in all formats. It is a good way for them to maximize profits in an era of dwindling film sales.

Stupid theory. If they wanted to do that, why bother to make a new film, and a slow-speed "special" high-saturation film? If they wanted to make only one film, they would discontinue films rather than invent new ones, and try to drive people to use some more "all-around" film like Portra 400.

However, it is clearly visible that Kodak doesn't seem to have any E6 strategy anymore. They clearly say that Ektar is a negative alternative to E6 films.

Luckily, Fuji seems to believe in reversal films. After all, they kind of "won" the battle of E6 films in the 90's and 00's. I believe in both negs and reversals.

So, there's Kodak with great commitment to negs and Fuji with great commitment to reversals, and both of them + Ilford to BW. Can't complain!

Ektagraphic · Feb 19, 2010

It seems like some people wish they had a large format camera.......CALUMET 4X5 Cameras are great 4x5 cameras and can be had for $150 with a case, a lens, and film holders. By the time you ship one they are $200. This is how I got into large format and this camera has made some exceptional images. Mine even had a good Schneider lens not a cheap one. If you already have a sturdy tripod, you are all set!

imokruok · Feb 20, 2010

Anon Ymous said:
So, that's the new product Scott DiSabato was talking about in the latest interview.

Damn! I saw someone's accounting of that interview and was hoping it was Ektar in 400. I guess I can't begrudge them for continuing to develop film in any meaningful fashion, though.

Toffle · Feb 20, 2010

imokruok said:
Damn! I saw someone's accounting of that interview and was hoping it was Ektar in 400. I guess I can't begrudge them for continuing to develop film in any meaningful fashion, though.

Hmmmmmmmmm... Ektar 400... I'll dream with you, but I'm not holding my breath. I'm definitely going to try some 4x5 when it's available, though.

Cheers,

David A. Goldfarb · Feb 20, 2010

The fastest cine neg film with Vision2/3 technology is ISO 500, so I wouldn't be surprised to see something along the lines of a high speed Ektar at some point in the future, if the market can hang on.

2F/2F · Feb 20, 2010

If 500T were made available as an optically printable still film, I would 1. shit my pants, and 2. buy a lifetime supply.

apconan · Feb 20, 2010

Ektagraphic said:
It seems like some people wish they had a large format camera.......CALUMET 4X5 Cameras are great 4x5 cameras and can be had for $150 with a case, a lens, and film holders. By the time you ship one they are $200. This is how I got into large format and this camera has made some exceptional images. Mine even had a good Schneider lens not a cheap one. If you already have a sturdy tripod, you are all set!

Where to find one for this price?

Photo Engineer · Feb 20, 2010

2F/2F said:
If 500T were made available as an optically printable still film, I would 1. shit my pants, and 2. buy a lifetime supply.

If I could arrange it, I would, just to see the mess you would make!

I would also like to have 10% of the money you would spend! Just nice to set up a small fund to buy some things to make emulsions.

PE

2F/2F · Feb 20, 2010

PE,

Unfortunately, my "lifetime supply" would not help Kodak much. Say I live and I am able to shoot and get/make C-41 chemicals for another 30 years (which may or may not be the case). I would probably want an average of 52 rolls of 35mm per year, and maybe an average of 26 rolls of medium format per year. So, 78 rolls/year times 30 years = about 2,500 rolls. At an average of six bucks a roll (if the film were to be made with today's prices), that is $15,000.

Some people spend this on a top-end digital camera and a few nice lenses, then sell the camera a few years later at a 75% loss. Even though I would really prefer it to be 1000 speed, considering that I could get what I would see as superior performance for my purposes using my existing equipment and the 500T negative film, it doesn't seem like a lot to me, relatively speaking, especially if my gradual stockpiling of the film was stretched out over five or more years.

Of course, the desire may be rendered moot in short order, as darkly lit venues move away from tungsten lamps entirely, and as digital cameras improve in their dynamic range and exposure latitude.

I also realize that at some point soon, even if I continue with analog exposure and processing, printing my own RA prints will be impossible, due to simple lack of paper production combined with its poor keeping properties and a general lack of support for the medium. This means starting to S-C-A-N. Ugh! At that point, I will probably just go fully digital for color, cursing the entire way.

I suspect we will lose color film rather quickly when it finally happens...and that it will be much sooner that this happens than most of us might think.

BetterSense · Feb 20, 2010

I suspect we will lose color film rather quickly when it finally happens...and that it will be much sooner that this happens than most of us might think.

I always said that newfangled color film would never catch on.

Ektar 100 to be offered in Large Format

Mahler_one

colrehogan

Existing Light

John Shriver

erikg

David A. Goldfarb

Moderator

Athiril

kraker

arigram

paul_c5x4

Steve Smith

arigram

Shangheye

domaz

Alexander Ghaffari

hrst

Ektagraphic

imokruok

Toffle

David A. Goldfarb

Moderator

2F/2F

apconan

Photo Engineer

2F/2F

BetterSense

Ektar 100 to be offered in Large Format

Moderator

Moderator

Privacy & Transparency

Privacy & Transparency