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I’d love to have P3200 in 4x5. If Ilford can do delta 3200 in 120, why not 4x5? Awefully useful for pinhole photography
They're coated on different thickness bases (awkwardly worded, but you know what I mean). Kodak uses 4.7 mils for 120, 7 mils for 4x5. I imagine Ilford does the same.
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I'd just like a 4x5 camera really...
Good to hear, I recall reading that TMZ in 120 is as well on the way with a similar status. That would be a really good introduction as IIRC Tmax 3200 was never offered in any other format than 35mm. Yesterday, one of the popular labs (FIND) was in a Q&A round and they stated that the ratios of formats they process are 80% 120 and 20% 35mm, which I guess is due to the heavy orders of professionals.
Sadly the leaves will have fallen for E100 autumn colors this season, spring perhaps.
I do my own processing but only use a very small quantity of 35mm at the moment. However, there always seems to be lots of Leica film camera discussion online, so presumably they are shooting some film...
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Wondering how it will be priced compared to 35mm? I just spent $23cdn on a single roll of ektachrome in 35mm, probably close to $20 to have it developed. Over $40 for 36 photos. If the 120 variant is the same price or more expensive the cost for photo will be substantial. Even if the purchase and development costs are identical to 35mm I'll only be getting 1/3 the number of photos. It'll be more in line with polaroid's film cost.
Still, it's nice to see more film options arriving. I just don't think I personally can justify the cost on this one. Your mileage may vary however.
Still, it's nice to see more film options arriving. I just don't think I personally can justify the cost on this one. Your mileage may vary however.
A roll of 120 and a roll of 36 exposure 35mm film are equal in having 80 square inches of film, but the cost of packaging and manufacture might push it higher despite equal real estate.
That's unfortunate but not unexpected. I hope it sells well but I doubt I'll ever do much more than buy the occasional roll just to see how nice it is. As it stands my roll of 35mm is sitting in my fridge awaiting a time where I can plan some photos that will be worthy of it. I don't want to use it just for any old snapshot.
From what I see online, it also seems like Kodak doesn't sell their 120 film individually, only in 5-packs. However some resellers seem to break the 5 pack and do individual sales. Who knows if they are adding to the cost.
On the other hand, in 35mm, E100 has come in slightly cheaper than Fuji's Provia 100F, and right now I can get a 5-pack of Provia in 120 for $42.35, which comes to $8.47 a roll. So maybe an E100 will be competitive with that price.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...m_15341588_RDP_III_120_Fujichrome_Provia.html
Apparently Kodak announced today that 120 and 4x5 E100 will be available in 10 days time to order. So this came sooner then rumoured.
On Kodak Professional page on Facebook:
ROCHESTER, N.Y. Dec 10, 2019 – Kodak Alaris today announced the launch of EKTACHROME E100 in larger formats. A new 120 format 5-roll propack and a new 10 sheet 4x5 box will be available to order within the next 10 days, worldwide.
These new format offerings follow on the highly successful launch of EKTACHROME E100 in 135-36x size last year. “Our new E100 film is a big hit with photographers of all ages” said Dennis Olbrich, President – Kodak Alaris Imaging Paper, Photo Chemicals and Film. “The market response has been tremendous. Adding 120 and sheet films takes us to the next level.”
On Kodak Professional page on Facebook:
ROCHESTER, N.Y. Dec 10, 2019 – Kodak Alaris today announced the launch of EKTACHROME E100 in larger formats. A new 120 format 5-roll propack and a new 10 sheet 4x5 box will be available to order within the next 10 days, worldwide.
These new format offerings follow on the highly successful launch of EKTACHROME E100 in 135-36x size last year. “Our new E100 film is a big hit with photographers of all ages” said Dennis Olbrich, President – Kodak Alaris Imaging Paper, Photo Chemicals and Film. “The market response has been tremendous. Adding 120 and sheet films takes us to the next level.”
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80 square inches of film? Now that is indeed a nice bit of math, because it's equal to one sheet of 8x10 film. Let's hope it gets cut that size too! But sheet film is inherently more expensive than roll film due to the thicker superior polyester base. If it were available, I'd expect it to run nearly $200 for a ten sheet box, a hecka lot more per 80 square inches than any 120 roll.
Film Photography Project has E100 in 120 format listed for $49.99 for a five pack. Not cheap, but not insane either.
One UK retailer has it listed for way over that price of 50 USD so hopefully not a indicator of wider UK prices.
This is a good price, 30% cheaper than 35mm for the same film amount, we'll see what is the price for the sheets, which it can be predicted high given their usual marketing segmentation for pricing.
The 120 rolls would be a nice choice for 6x12cm (etc) roll film backs in the 45 view cameras, matching HD monitors aspect.
So that 120 E100 would be also a great resource for LF !!
10 sheets of 4x5 for $39.95? That's cheaper than I thought it would be!
https://filmphotographystore.com/co...sheet-film-kodak-ektachrome-e100-10-sheet-box
https://filmphotographystore.com/co...sheet-film-kodak-ektachrome-e100-10-sheet-box
Yes, that is a decent price. Just wish they'd move to a 20 per box. I've already got too many empty boxes stacked now. Maybe they will release a 50 per box at some point. Not complaining at all just hate wasting all the cardboard even with recycle processing.
Yes... launch price for 4x5" looks relatively moderate, we'll see what they do in the future.
But a 6x12cm E100 shot with the roll film back is $1.66, while a 4x5" sheet is $4.00.
Not much essential IQ is lost in a 6x12cm vs 4x5", and if wanting more pano for landscape then we have an easy decision.
Then Lab processing the sheet can be $5... if not DIY... Then if scanning... a high quality 4000dpi of the 4x5" sheet has another overcost that has to be added, because if not a cheap/easy scan of the MF beats well the sheet...
I love sheets the most, but shooting 120 in a roll film back has several advantages, one is a way lower cost and another is the format choices, with rolls we easily make 6x4.5, 6x6, 6x7, 6x8, 6x9, 6x12, 6x17, etc. Every scene may have an ideal aspect...
Many countries around (even in the UE) are not as rich as the USA, and film is way more expensive there than in the USA, in that situation, while loving sheets the most, the 120 back may provide some viability. Personally I prefer sheets but I guess I'll use 120 E100 in the roll back, like I'm to do with Velvia.
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Even prior to this announcement I have been thinking I prob won't shoot much slides now. I have shot mainly slides in the past, cos that's what landscape pro's did right.
I'm in New Zealand, so I import my film from USA and export it there for processing. Here it cost prob $30US for 1 rolls of 35mm slides and 35mm or 120 processing is $20US equiv no mounting, that's been gone for over 10yrs. 4x5? Haha. Not even the capital city here does that, I will have to courier it to Auckland for that.
I am in Ireland, and just like yourself, we have had no commercial E6 processing nationally for the last 5 years. Any transparency developing has to go to the UK or EU.
I think it would be the same as any other small country.
I had thought about offering E6 processing in my minilab but according to the figures, it wouldn't be worth it. I did my research by contacting numerous labs, pro and amateur and the previous biggest E6 processor in Dublin (they still offer C41, B&W & RA4 but just not E6). They told me that they could maintain the throughput because they were the designated processor for the Fujichrome process paid film in Ireland. When that ceased, their volume numbers dropped drastically and it became uneconomical.
I also contacted Fuji Ireland regarding transparency film sales and that told an even bleaker picture.
Of course, never say never. Maybe this Ektachrome revival could prove a turning point.
We do have a commercial E6 if it's a shop in the city, haha. All the labs that used to do E6 in the film days have packed up or been brought up for their digital printing business. They got rid of their film dept. Interesting, one transaction that went thru, not long after the shop caught a fire and they lost the digital lambda printing which was what they had brought it for .... So the currently place that charges $20US for 1 roll processing is difficult to take in ...
Currently there is one E6 place here, due to an earthquake at a diff city they bought their machine so this is now a lab that has never done E6 development in the film days are now doing in the digital era. No sheet film thou.
Even 10yrs ago when some of the previous labs that did offer 35mm slide film mounting, they charged us like 30c USD per frame mounted. There are 1 or 2 or so small home business that does slide film processing with home kits like Tetenal etc .. but b/c they are often in smaller cities you have to courier the film to them and courier them back it doesn't make sense unless you are doing batches relatively quickly. While these home businesses were cheaper than the NZ shop labs which there is 1 or 2 or 3 in the entire NZ, the home business labs charges a bit cheaper than them but still more $$ than USA labs, I guess that is their strategy; so when you add the 2 way courier costs it's basically the same cost as just walking into a $20US equiv lab here. I suppose I could shoot 5 rolls and send it there and back and perhaps save a tiny bit.
It's more fun for a hobbyists that you shoot 1 roll, develop it, study it, learn from it before shooting another roll. I did something with a USA lab, it wasn't so much engaging that I shoot like 8-12 rolls per year but I send them over to the USA every 2yrs so I won't be able to see the results for up to 24 months and if I did something wrong I won't be able to realise it until that 2yr comes.
Currently there is one E6 place here, due to an earthquake at a diff city they bought their machine so this is now a lab that has never done E6 development in the film days are now doing in the digital era. No sheet film thou.
Even 10yrs ago when some of the previous labs that did offer 35mm slide film mounting, they charged us like 30c USD per frame mounted. There are 1 or 2 or so small home business that does slide film processing with home kits like Tetenal etc .. but b/c they are often in smaller cities you have to courier the film to them and courier them back it doesn't make sense unless you are doing batches relatively quickly. While these home businesses were cheaper than the NZ shop labs which there is 1 or 2 or 3 in the entire NZ, the home business labs charges a bit cheaper than them but still more $$ than USA labs, I guess that is their strategy; so when you add the 2 way courier costs it's basically the same cost as just walking into a $20US equiv lab here. I suppose I could shoot 5 rolls and send it there and back and perhaps save a tiny bit.
It's more fun for a hobbyists that you shoot 1 roll, develop it, study it, learn from it before shooting another roll. I did something with a USA lab, it wasn't so much engaging that I shoot like 8-12 rolls per year but I send them over to the USA every 2yrs so I won't be able to see the results for up to 24 months and if I did something wrong I won't be able to realise it until that 2yr comes.
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That paints a bleak picture indeed. Aussie prices are mostly competitive with the U.S. and E-6 even seems cheaper - 7.50 AUD per roll. Do none of the labs here accept film from Kiwis?
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