Efke 25, Rodinal, stand development

[Gene Johnson]

I accidently used stand development on 2 rolls of Efke 25 the other day. I put two rolls of 120 and Rodinal 1:100 in my 450ml tank, got a phone call, and forgot all about it for 20 min. I decided to call it a stand development experiment and take it out after 30 min. Perfect just as far as I can tell. No streaking, unevenness or anything. Contrast was nice, normal. Tried it again on purpose and same thing. Just perfect. I like this.

68 deg, 30 sec presoak, 5 initial inversions, followed by no agitiation at all. 30 min total development time.

 

[david b]

got some examples of the images?

 

[Gene Johnson]

I do, but nowhere to post them.

 

[david b]

how about the technical gallery here on apug?

 

[Gene Johnson]

Good idea, but I'm not a subscriber. I couldn't look at any of the other images. "Subscribers only" it says. Come to think of it, there is someplace I can post some. Gimme a few minutes.

 

[david b]

how about joining?

 

[jim appleyard]

Thanks Gene. I've heard of doing SD at 1+200 in Rodinal for 1 hour, and tried it once (underdevved negs were the result) but this 30 minute deal sounds good.

 

[Gene Johnson]

http://www.rollei-gallery.net/index.html

Look under G. Johnson, landscapes, 8-11 are the pics in question.

 

[ronlamarsh]

rodinal stand developement

Hey guys i'm very interested in trying this with efke pl100 4x5 film any tips as I normally use tray developement? The recent article in view camera claims that stand developement increases micro contrast and is a real boon to low contrast subjects. I have been trying for sometime now to photography rolling hills of wheat but ripe wheat as far as the eye can see is fairly dead contrast wise in B&W but the very soft sensual undulations of the hills seem to inspire me visually just can't seem to capture it yet.

 

[Gene Johnson]

Actually, they would be the shots on the right side of the page. Sorry.

 

[roy]

I accidently used stand development on 2 rolls of Efke 25 the other day. I put two rolls of 120 and Rodinal 1:100 in my 450ml tank, got a phone call, and forgot all about it for 20 min. I decided to call it a stand development experiment and take it out after 30 min. Perfect just as far as I can tell. No streaking, unevenness or anything. Contrast was nice, normal. Tried it again on purpose and same thing. Just perfect. I like this.

Known as serendipity-the occurrence of events by chance, in a fortunate way !

 

[George Papantoniou]

I once did some tests with PanF for an article I wrote on stand development and I decided to try diluted Rodinal.
I did 1+100 for 25 min with single inversions on the 1st and 5th minute, 1+400 for 90 min with single inversions on 1st, 2nd, 5th, 10th, 30th and 45th min and 1+800 for 12 hours (!!!!) with single inversions on the 1st and 5th minutes... The results were good for the 1+100 and 1+400 dilutions but there was dichroic fogging with the 1+800 dilution (and the Dmax was low...). The tank contained only one film and a minimum of 2.5 ml of concentrated Rodinal (necessary for the development of one film).
I compared the results with a film that I had developed in a rotary processor (with a 1+25 rodinal solution) and they were superior, with far better edge sharpness and smoother gradation.
I guess the 1+100 dilution is a good and economic solution for the ones who favour the method... further that that it becomes a bit eccentric...
George

 

[mikewhi]

I uploaded 4 of the images to the Technical Gallery, all titled Stand Development with a description of EFKE 25, Rodinal.

-Mike

 

[Gene Johnson]

Thanks Mike

 

[titrisol]

verry nice and soft images, good job

 

[Gene Johnson]

Thanks. the seascapes were under cloudy skies. The Walnut Canyon ruins shot was under brutal direct sunlight.

 

[Digidurst]

I'm not sure I have enough darkroom experience under my belt to try using something as exotic (to me) as Rodinal but I do like the results you achieved, Gene.

Now ya'll, don't laugh! because I'm very curious to know if the same couldn't be attempted with D76? If I wanted to experiment, could someone give me a boost via information about a possible dilution and development time? Thanks in advance and take care all

 

[Tom Hoskinson]

Rodinal is a very energetic high acutance developer. D-76 is a medium energy low acutance developer. A better Kodak developer to try this with would be Xtol (IMO).

 

[titrisol]

AMOF Rodinal is one of the least "exotic" developers.
Single developing agent, very old.
I learned to develop with it in the early 80s (my dad used it) and when I retook photography I moved to D76 (early 90s). Then I got reconnected with Rodinal a cuple of years ago, love it.
Give it a shot one of these days.

I'm not sure I have enough darkroom experience under my belt to try using something as exotic (to me) as Rodinal but I do like the results you achieved, Gene.

Now ya'll, don't laugh! because I'm very curious to know if the same couldn't be attempted with D76? If I wanted to experiment, could someone give me a boost via information about a possible dilution and development time? Thanks in advance and take care all

 

[Digidurst]

AMOF Rodinal is one of the least "exotic" developers.
Single developing agent, very old.
I learned to develop with it in the early 80s (my dad used it) and when I retook photography I moved to D76 (early 90s). Then I got reconnected with Rodinal a cuple of years ago, love it.
Give it a shot one of these days.

I might have to do just that

I just looked at the Photographer's Formulary version and the description said it wasn't good for faster films... Is that true? Would increased graininess be the result of using it with say, 400 speed?

 

[titrisol]

It depends on your taste. Grain is there, since there is no solvency
I find HP5 and TriX developed in 1+50 or 1+100 Rodinal to be very nice, nice defined grain, and lots of "character"

As opposed to D76, the more you dilute Rodinal the "smaller" the grain is.

 

[titrisol]

This are samples, and a crop at 2400 dpi (from negative)

HP5+ in Rodinal 1+50
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Tri_X in Rodinal 1+50
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[Digidurst]

This are samples, and a crop at 2400 dpi (from negative)

HP5+ in Rodinal 1+50
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Tri_X in Rodinal 1+50
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Interesting... thank you so much for posting the examples!

 

[fingel]

I might have to do just that

I just looked at the Photographer's Formulary version and the description said it wasn't good for faster films... Is that true? Would increased graininess be the result of using it with say, 400 speed?

It may be true for 35mm, but I use Rodinal with tri-x in 4x5 all the time. It is a wonderful combination. I just gave away my old scanner and haven't replaced it yet, but there is an older negative scan using this combination in my personal gallery.

 

[Digidurst]

It may be true for 35mm, but I use Rodinal with tri-x in 4x5 all the time. It is a wonderful combination. I just gave away my old scanner and haven't replaced it yet, but there is an older negative scan using this combination in my personal gallery.

Very nice! Thank you also for posting the example, Scott.

I'm just about convinced... one more question... can I use my regular stop and fixer with the PF version of rodinal?

Wait a sec... do you even use the typical line up of chems when using rodinal?