Efke 25, Rodinal, stand development

Gene Johnson · Apr 4, 2005

I accidently used stand development on 2 rolls of Efke 25 the other day. I put two rolls of 120 and Rodinal 1:100 in my 450ml tank, got a phone call, and forgot all about it for 20 min. I decided to call it a stand development experiment and take it out after 30 min. Perfect just as far as I can tell. No streaking, unevenness or anything. Contrast was nice, normal. Tried it again on purpose and same thing. Just perfect. I like this.

68 deg, 30 sec presoak, 5 initial inversions, followed by no agitiation at all. 30 min total development time.

david b · Apr 4, 2005

got some examples of the images?

Gene Johnson · Apr 4, 2005

I do, but nowhere to post them.

david b · Apr 4, 2005

how about the technical gallery here on apug?

Gene Johnson · Apr 4, 2005

Good idea, but I'm not a subscriber. I couldn't look at any of the other images. "Subscribers only" it says. Come to think of it, there is someplace I can post some. Gimme a few minutes.

david b · Apr 4, 2005

how about joining?

jim appleyard · Apr 4, 2005

Thanks Gene. I've heard of doing SD at 1+200 in Rodinal for 1 hour, and tried it once (underdevved negs were the result) but this 30 minute deal sounds good.

Gene Johnson · Apr 4, 2005

http://www.rollei-gallery.net/index.html

Look under G. Johnson, landscapes, 8-11 are the pics in question.

ronlamarsh · Apr 4, 2005

rodinal stand developement

Hey guys i'm very interested in trying this with efke pl100 4x5 film any tips as I normally use tray developement? The recent article in view camera claims that stand developement increases micro contrast and is a real boon to low contrast subjects. I have been trying for sometime now to photography rolling hills of wheat but ripe wheat as far as the eye can see is fairly dead contrast wise in B&W but the very soft sensual undulations of the hills seem to inspire me visually just can't seem to capture it yet.

Gene Johnson · Apr 5, 2005

Actually, they would be the shots on the right side of the page. Sorry.

roy · Apr 5, 2005

Gene Johnson said:
I accidently used stand development on 2 rolls of Efke 25 the other day. I put two rolls of 120 and Rodinal 1:100 in my 450ml tank, got a phone call, and forgot all about it for 20 min. I decided to call it a stand development experiment and take it out after 30 min. Perfect just as far as I can tell. No streaking, unevenness or anything. Contrast was nice, normal. Tried it again on purpose and same thing. Just perfect. I like this.

Known as serendipity-the occurrence of events by chance, in a fortunate way !

George Papantoniou · Apr 5, 2005

I once did some tests with PanF for an article I wrote on stand development and I decided to try diluted Rodinal.
I did 1+100 for 25 min with single inversions on the 1st and 5th minute, 1+400 for 90 min with single inversions on 1st, 2nd, 5th, 10th, 30th and 45th min and 1+800 for 12 hours (!!!!) with single inversions on the 1st and 5th minutes... The results were good for the 1+100 and 1+400 dilutions but there was dichroic fogging with the 1+800 dilution (and the Dmax was low...). The tank contained only one film and a minimum of 2.5 ml of concentrated Rodinal (necessary for the development of one film).
I compared the results with a film that I had developed in a rotary processor (with a 1+25 rodinal solution) and they were superior, with far better edge sharpness and smoother gradation.
I guess the 1+100 dilution is a good and economic solution for the ones who favour the method... further that that it becomes a bit eccentric...
George

mikewhi · Apr 5, 2005

I uploaded 4 of the images to the Technical Gallery, all titled Stand Development with a description of EFKE 25, Rodinal.

-Mike

Gene Johnson · Apr 5, 2005

Thanks Mike

titrisol · Apr 5, 2005

verry nice and soft images, good job

Gene Johnson · Apr 5, 2005

Thanks. the seascapes were under cloudy skies. The Walnut Canyon ruins shot was under brutal direct sunlight.

Digidurst · Apr 7, 2005

I'm not sure I have enough darkroom experience under my belt to try using something as exotic (to me) as Rodinal but I do like the results you achieved, Gene.

Now ya'll, don't laugh! because I'm very curious to know if the same couldn't be attempted with D76? If I wanted to experiment, could someone give me a boost via information about a possible dilution and development time? Thanks in advance and take care all

Tom Hoskinson · Apr 7, 2005

Rodinal is a very energetic high acutance developer. D-76 is a medium energy low acutance developer. A better Kodak developer to try this with would be Xtol (IMO).

titrisol · Apr 7, 2005

AMOF Rodinal is one of the least "exotic" developers.
Single developing agent, very old.
I learned to develop with it in the early 80s (my dad used it) and when I retook photography I moved to D76 (early 90s). Then I got reconnected with Rodinal a cuple of years ago, love it.
Give it a shot one of these days.

Digidurst said:
I'm not sure I have enough darkroom experience under my belt to try using something as exotic (to me) as Rodinal but I do like the results you achieved, Gene.

Now ya'll, don't laugh! because I'm very curious to know if the same couldn't be attempted with D76? If I wanted to experiment, could someone give me a boost via information about a possible dilution and development time? Thanks in advance and take care all

Digidurst · Apr 7, 2005

titrisol said:
AMOF Rodinal is one of the least "exotic" developers.
Single developing agent, very old.
I learned to develop with it in the early 80s (my dad used it) and when I retook photography I moved to D76 (early 90s). Then I got reconnected with Rodinal a cuple of years ago, love it.
Give it a shot one of these days.

I might have to do just that

I just looked at the Photographer's Formulary version and the description said it wasn't good for faster films... Is that true? Would increased graininess be the result of using it with say, 400 speed?

titrisol · Apr 7, 2005

It depends on your taste. Grain is there, since there is no solvency
I find HP5 and TriX developed in 1+50 or 1+100 Rodinal to be very nice, nice defined grain, and lots of "character"

As opposed to D76, the more you dilute Rodinal the "smaller" the grain is.

titrisol · Apr 7, 2005

This are samples, and a crop at 2400 dpi (from negative)

HP5+ in Rodinal 1+50
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Tri_X in Rodinal 1+50
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Digidurst · Apr 7, 2005

titrisol said:
This are samples, and a crop at 2400 dpi (from negative)

HP5+ in Rodinal 1+50
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Tri_X in Rodinal 1+50
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Interesting... thank you so much for posting the examples!

fingel · Apr 7, 2005

Digidurst said:
I might have to do just that

I just looked at the Photographer's Formulary version and the description said it wasn't good for faster films... Is that true? Would increased graininess be the result of using it with say, 400 speed?

It may be true for 35mm, but I use Rodinal with tri-x in 4x5 all the time. It is a wonderful combination. I just gave away my old scanner and haven't replaced it yet, but there is an older negative scan using this combination in my personal gallery.

Digidurst · Apr 7, 2005

fingel said:
It may be true for 35mm, but I use Rodinal with tri-x in 4x5 all the time. It is a wonderful combination. I just gave away my old scanner and haven't replaced it yet, but there is an older negative scan using this combination in my personal gallery.

Very nice! Thank you also for posting the example, Scott.

I'm just about convinced... one more question... can I use my regular stop and fixer with the PF version of rodinal?

Wait a sec... do you even use the typical line up of chems when using rodinal?

Efke 25, Rodinal, stand development

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