Nobody's selling anything; at most, @bjpirt is 'selling' an idea, for free, and it's up to anyone to take it or leave it as they desire. I think we should be thankful for his willingness to share his work with all of us. I certainly am.Sorry, did I rub you up the wrong way or something?
It's not for ME to do any analysis of anything. It's the guy who designed it and is trying to sell it to prove it works.
I was just hoping to engage the community here in creating something useful for everyone to use.
- use lasers to validate this on a real camera (lasers are a pain to get set up and aligned so I'd hoped to use a broad bright light like other shutter testers I've seen) and see what the difference is.
I am happy to support this project and would like to use the tester in one of my next repair projects including a report here of possible?
I am happy to support this project and would like to use the tester in one of my next repair projects including a report here if possible?
Thanks for the support Andreas - would be great to get some more feedback from someone else using it.
After measuring the error in a very rough and ready way with a hole in cardboard and some calipers (see photos - very rough and ready but I'll set up a proper rig soon!) I think the wide light source is causing a fair amount of error that throws off the faster shutter speed measurements. I'd hoped to avoid using lasers because they're a pain to get aligned each time and you need to build a rig to make it all work, and I'd seen that professional shutter testers just used a diffuse light source with holes for the sensors so I thought a thin hole in a 1.6mm PCB would be enough to reduce the error.
I'm going to try and characterise the error with diffuse light compared to laser light and see if I can compensate in software. I figure the same tester could support both diffuse light sources for slower speeds and lasers for faster speeds.
Here's the shonky setup I used:
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I attached the PCB to one jaw, a card with a slit to the other. Measured the slit with the calipers (before attaching!) and then moved the slit until it triggered a sensor and measured again until the sensor wasn't triggered. The measured width was approximately 1mm wider than the actual width.
Compensating for this extra 1mm at faster speeds brought the shutter measurements much closer to what they were meant to be.
However you likeRegarding the report, could we do it like this?
However you likeAlthough bear in mind it's still in development so don't expect quite as finished a tester as the nice Reveni one!
Would be great to compare readings with that though
Could you provide me with a test device? I am located in Vienna
Edit: I'm not allowed to yet - @koraks any chance you'd be able to let me DM please?
Thank you!Sorry about that; I intended to fix it earlier, but just did now anyway
Sorry about that; I intended to fix it earlier, but just did now anyway. You should now be able to reach out to @Andreas Thaler !
Thanks @Niglyn - and thanks for your pinned post in this forum - that and a few other posts on the accuracy were a big inspiration for meWelcome to the world of shutter tester design
That makes sense, but what I don't get is that when you look at a lot of the professional kit they seem to be using a diffuse light. Would love to see a teardown of one of these machines to see how they're reducing errors.The last thing you want is a diffused light.
I hadn't considered this - thanks for the heads up!If using PWM to vary LED output, the sensor will see the pulses as shutter actuations & go nuts
1970's professional testers would have a bespoke long, thin photo-resister. This was then hidden behind a thin slot. So it still retained a large, but narrow surface to see the light.
That makes sense, but what I don't get is that when you look at a lot of the professional kit they seem to be using a diffuse light. Would love to see a teardown of one of these machines to see how they're reducing errors.
Here's a reddit post that goes into more detail.
Evidently this worked for some, but I don't see a link. Please could you try posting it again?@vandergus that's a good article
Thanks, that's done the trick!I'll try changing the link format a little...
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