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I've only started thinking about doing home E-6 after successfully doing C-41 at home a few months ago. I understand I'd need tighter temperature control, so I started looking at Jobo processors. My largest format of interest is 4x5, though most of my work is 120 and 35mm.

Can someone explain the differences between the CPE-2, CPA-2, and CPP-2? How much should I expect to have to shell out for each?

I'm also interested in maybe eventually doing color enlargements in a few years, and would like to know if any can be used to process color prints.
 

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CPA-2 and CPP-2 do both prints and film up to 20x24. The difference between the models is the CPP-2 automatically controls the temperature. The CPA-2 requires you to adjust temperature control. It is well worth getting the CPP-2 over the CPA-2. The CPE-2 is smaller than the other two processors. I have no idea how the temperature is controlled by the processor. I would also recommend the lift with any of those models.
 

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Jobo is getting very hard to get parts , I would suggest you look into Thermo pot out of New Jersey. I may have spelled the name wrong so someone will correct me.
One good thing these machines are being manufactured for other purposes so lots of parts, service and for E6 and other processes you will be covered.

You can find used Jobos online but down the road , the parts will kill you when you least expect it .
 
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Bob, thanks for that warning. Since I am fairly young and anticipate a lot of future work in film, I would want a product made by a company that still has a reliable parts & support department.
 

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Thermophot

I don't know if its still in business.

See post #5 here

(there was a url link here which no longer exists)
 

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I think this is a wise decision, may cost you a bit more in the beginning but less frustrating down the road.
Bob, thanks for that warning. Since I am fairly young and anticipate a lot of future work in film, I would want a product made by a company that still has a reliable parts & support department.
 

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Thermophot makes (very expensive) paper processors. However, the OP is first looking for a film processor. JOBO processors are very reliable. They are also common. If the thing does break down, you should be able to another secondhand unit for parts--not that all parts like washers are unique to JOBO.
 

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I don't think Thermaphot actually manufactures processors any more, but they still offer service and maintenance for their machines. I got a ACP-302 print processor some time ago and e-mailed them for a manual. The manual was sent to me for a small fee, and the owner even phoned me up to ask if I needed any further assistance regarding the machine.

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I have owned over 10 Jobos, the last 6 were used and bought within the last two years, I think the OP would be wise to head some painfully bought advice.
any idea how to replace a lift arm? how costly?
Thermophot makes (very expensive) paper processors. However, the OP is first looking for a film processor. JOBO processors are very reliable. They are also common. If the thing does break down, you should be able to another secondhand unit for parts--not that all parts like washers are unique to JOBO.
 

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The company I am thinking about makes film processors, the name will come to me.
I don't think Thermaphot actually manufactures processors any more, but they still offer service and maintenance for their machines. I got a ACP-302 print processor some time ago and e-mailed them for a manual. The manual was sent to me for a small fee, and the owner even phoned me up to ask if I needed any further assistance regarding the machine.

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Thermophot makes (very expensive) paper processors

DM 2000,- new in 2000 which is Eur. 1000,- now (ACP-252).

They do not manufacture (paper-) processors anymore but still support the machines, like Jobo. Jobo parts are not difficult to get in Europe at all. But spare parts are expensive.

For 4x5" development you have the choice for the 2509N reels or Expert (3000 system) drums.

A CPA-2 or CPP-2 can do the Expert drums, the CPE-2 not. Further the CPA/CPP can forefill the narrow temperature control for E6 (+/- 0,25C).
They are using a PT-100 temperature sensor.

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I have owned over 10 Jobos, the last 6 were used and bought within the last two years, I think the OP would be wise to head some painfully bought advice.
any idea how to replace a lift arm? how costly?

I have owned the same JOBO CPP-2 processor with Lift for 10 years. I am not having the same issues as you.
 

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Hello Yeknom02,
CPE 2 and CPA2 are the same, but the CPA has eaten EPO and got bigger...
The CPE2 can't handle 3000 series tanks (too big and too heavy for the motor). CPA/CPP can use every tank the CPE2 use and also the 3000 expert drums.
The CPE2 is limited to 600 CC chemistry (by the torque of the motor) and the CPA/CPP can handle one liter (1000 CC).
This is important to calculate the number of films you can process in one run. (if you plan to process only 35 and 120 mm film only I suggest you get the 1500 series tanks which, as they are smaller in diameter, use less chemistry to wet all the film. )
This said, you can calculate the maximum number of film per run by looking in the chemistry instructions how many CC you need per 135 or 120 film, then dividing 600 for CPE2 or 1000 for CPA2/CPP2 by this amount. (check that the minimum chemistry per film is above the minimum required for your tank to wet all the film, if not use this volume instead)
This may be a better way to choose between the two kind of processors.
As for the temperature control, the CPE/CPA have a knob which must be set for the process temperature. The marking could be wrong, but once you've calibrated which marking is the actual 38.3 ° C it will stick to it at around 0.2°C (this is precise enough for E6 processing).
I'm not a very big fan of the lift. I owned a CPE2 with it and one without it. I kept the one without it.... But your mileage may vary.
Last but not least, either the CPE or CPA are simple mechanical devices with very little electronic inside. You may find people to repair them in the future. The situation is a little bit different for the CPP2 which has more electronic inside. But is is not a device from NASA, so should be able to be repaired for a very long time.
 
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I got a CPP 2 on APUG with the bottles and one tank for $150. I got a new Expert Tank from FreeStyle. I have gotten new and used parts from Steve Smith in Pasadena. Steve and his wife also sell enlargers and processors. Their prices are good. I have had no problems getting Jobo parts and supplies. PM me if you need to contact suppliers.

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Well, after doing some more research, I'm still stuck between a Jobo and an alternate method. What I do seem to need regardless of the direction I want to go is one of the 2500 series tanks so that I can develop 4x5 sheet film in the future. For 35mm and 120, I'm wondering if I should just use a heated water bath and my Paterson SS4 tank. Of course, even this solution would cost me maybe $100 to get a decent constant-temp water bath going.

As of yet, no one has indicated what a CPE-2 might cost me, so I can't weigh my options.
 

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Are there any completed auctions on ebay with CPE-2's? Unless you get lucky on Craigslist, ebay will be your likely source for any complete Jobo.

You can use a water bath for doing E-6, a heater isn't really required, though some people use a styrofoam cooler for the water bath to slow down heat loss. Chick incubator pads, household heating pads, heated buffet snack trays are also possiblities for relatively cheap, gentle heat.

There is a guy on ebay selling an insert for Paterson tanks to allow spooing of 4x5, so that may be a possibility for you too. There have been some threads in here about it, and apparently it works well.
 

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What I do seem to need regardless of the direction I want to go is one of the 2500 series tanks so that I can develop 4x5 sheet film in the future.

Skip the 2500 series tanks and get a 3010 Expert Drum instead. You will be glad you did.

Steve
 

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Skip the 2500 series tanks and get a 3010 Expert Drum instead. You will be glad you did.

I can only agree with that, if you're developing sheet film.
But then your choice is limited for the CPA-2 or the CPP-2. BTW the CPA-2 had some modifications during the time. A stronger motor and for B&W (without water bath) Leicht Rollers, easy rollers to have less torque on the spindel.

If you're using 35mm and roll film development the choice for the 2502 reel is better due to less critical flow streams in these 25XX tanks. They are designed for rotary development. For C41 and E6 an elevator is certainly recommended due to the short C41/E6 developer time on 37,8C.

With a bit luck you can find a CPA/CPP for small money.
 
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