Dynachrome and AGFA Superpan 200- Looking for development of obscure films

[TheGreatGasMaskMan]

I recently got a lot of previously shot films off ebay, and of the two are a Dynachrome, and an AGFA superpan 200.

First, can anyone offer me advice on how to do an old K-11film as a Black and White?
and Second, there is absolutely no information on AGFA superpan 200 (also, this is also a very old roll), and I'm wondering if anyone would have any idea as to a development time?
and please not I'm limited to developing in Sprint Standard.

 

[Trask]

I've played with some 1986 Agfa SuperPan 200, with some success. See attached photo. This was Superpan 200 rated at ISO 100, shot in a Leica IIIa with a Topcor cm lens. Developed in Ilford ID-11 -- here are my notes from 2014:

"Develop in 200ml Ilford ID-11 1:1 with 200ml H2O Temp 70F. Pre-soak 2 minutes 70F water, some agitation; no color in water when poured out. Develop 14 minutes total, agitate every minute..

Water stop bath 2X

Fix for 5 minutes in chilled Kodak Tmax fixer (fourth use) at 70f, drain, water rinse and stand in water to remove coloration, then hypo clear (fourth use) 70F for 2-3 minutes, rinse several times and stand again in water. PhotoFlo several minutes, hang."

I think you could look at my time/temp, compare to ID-11 1:1 for other films in the Massive Dev Chart, cross-reference to your Sprint Developer, and come up with a time and temp to try out. Note I did have a bit of base fog, but not a lot.

I think Superpan200 winds up looking somewhat like APX100 Good luck.

 

[E. von Hoegh]

By 1986, all Agfa transparency film was E6. IIRC.

 

[foc]

By 1986, all Agfa transparency film was E6. IIRC.

Yes, Agfa transparency started to change from AP41,( their own process) to E6 in 1984.

 

[AgX]

But the OP did not refer to any Agfa colour film at all...

 

[TheGreatGasMaskMan]

I've played with some 1986 Agfa SuperPan 200, with some success. See attached photo. This was Superpan 200 rated at ISO 100, shot in a Leica IIIa with a Topcor cm lens. Developed in Ilford ID-11 -- here are my notes from 2014:

"Develop in 200ml Ilford ID-11 1:1 with 200ml H2O Temp 70F. Pre-soak 2 minutes 70F water, some agitation; no color in water when poured out. Develop 14 minutes total, agitate every minute..

Water stop bath 2X

Fix for 5 minutes in chilled Kodak Tmax fixer (fourth use) at 70f, drain, water rinse and stand in water to remove coloration, then hypo clear (fourth use) 70F for 2-3 minutes, rinse several times and stand again in water. PhotoFlo several minutes, hang."

I think you could look at my time/temp, compare to ID-11 1:1 for other films in the Massive Dev Chart, cross-reference to your Sprint Developer, and come up with a time and temp to try out. Note I did have a bit of base fog, but not a lot.

I think Superpan200 winds up looking somewhat like APX100 Good luck.

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the agfa superpan 200 is not listed on the massive dev chart anywhere, I was planning on using the D-76 time for Rollei superpan 200 (15 minutes) to see what happens.
I successfully developed a rollei rpx 25, and a verichrome pan (from the same lot as the superpan), using the d76 cross reference.

 

[AgX]

Agfa Superpan 200 and Rollei Superpan 200 are completely different films. From different worlds and centuries...

 

[BradS]

I recently got a lot of previously shot films....

I assume that you mean previously exposed film...yeah?

 

[TheGreatGasMaskMan]

I assume that you mean previously exposed film...yeah?

yes.

 

[1L6E6VHF]

Dynachrome was not one slide/movie film, rather many.

The first incarnation of the Dynachrome name was an ASA 10/Process K-11 film designed to compete with Kodachrome on price (there was a consent decree that forced EK to license the process - that consent decree was reversed to allow the APS consortium to form about 40 years later)

Dynachrome remained ASA 10/Process K-11 for a few years after EK had made the transition to Kodachrome II/Process K-12/ASA 25. Dynachrome was also sold with private labels at Sears and Montgomery Ward, who touted their slower speed as an advantage (shoot home movies on your electric eye camera- no filter needed!).

Dynachrome then met the ASA 25 speed while keeping process K-11 (sold as Dynachrome 25). 3M then merged with Ferrania, and introduced Ferrania's slide film as Dynachrome 64. Note that at that time, boxes that looked almost identical, except for the film speed, held two very different incompatible filmstocks, one process K-11, the other, from Italy, substantive.

It became really confusing when (circa 1967), Dynachrome 25 was replaced by a substantive chrome also made be Ferrania (I believe compatible with Dynachrome 64 processing), also called Dynachrome 25, with all the same artwork. About a year or two later, the latter Dynachrome 25 quietly died (people choosing to use an ASA 25 film were probably the same people who would be loyal to Kodachrome II.)

I don't have any specific recommendations for developing known K-11 Dynachrome, but if I were you I would take a "snip" of the old film and use the same development attempts being used for producing monochrome negatives from Kodachrome films and only then develop whole rolls when passable results have been achieved.

 

[TheGreatGasMaskMan]

Dynachrome was not one slide/movie film, rather many.

Well, here's what I've got

and I can't find any K-11 as black and white tutorials online.

 

[1L6E6VHF]

I suspect that if you're only gunning for a monochrome image, what works for K-14 would likel

 

[1L6E6VHF]

I suspect that if you're only gunning for a monochrome image, what works for K-14 would likely go for K-11 (in both cases, one is disregarding the color reversal and is only developing the silver halide layers to get a monochrome image).
It's kind of like buying a Whopper Supreme and only eating the lettuce.

 

[Helios 1984]

Have you developed your Agfa Superpan yet?

 

[TheGreatGasMaskMan]

Have you developed your Agfa Superpan yet?

They've both been developed, but I ultimately sent them to film rescue international. the dynachrome was blank, but I got some old vacation photographs from the superpan. View attachment 205404

 

[Helios 1984]

They've both been developed, but I ultimately sent them to film rescue international. the dynachrome was blank, but I got some old vacation photographs from the superpan. View attachment 205404 View attachment 205405 View attachment 205406 View attachment 205407

I missed the "Previously shot", I thought they were NOS rolls you were planning to shoot.

Here's a flat scan of the Superpan stuff I processed this morning (exp July 1984), rated at 64 ASA, and processed in Rodinal 1:25 for 7:30 mins at 19c.