printing directly from color negatives using pan matrix film. That could hypothetically be mfg again too; but it always was a much smaller niche category
https://www.eizo.com/solutions/casestudies/dye_transfer_atelier/
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/eastman-kodak-company-kodak-dye-1953177858
https://theonlinephotographer.typep...and-me-a-meandering-half-century-journey.html
https://landscapephotographyblogger.com/tag/dye-transfer-prints/ re Philip Hyde & Elliot Porter & Sierra Club
There's a lot more online however it doesn't deal fully with the routine, less "artistic" work of portrait photographers that justified Kodak's continued sale of paper, matrices, ink etc until 1994..
Before Kodak Dye Transfer Products were discontinued there was very little use of the products by portrait photographers. There was one portrait photographer who made corporate executive portrait. The primary users were commercial labs one in Germany, one in Japan, and five US commercial labs plus Ctein .
No Lachlan, you're completely off. Pan Matrix film was basically regular Matrix film with added sensitizer dye to make it pan sensitive. Yes, some carbon was added to, but for another reason. This kind of product needs a much deeper gelatin layer than Super-XX, though Super-XX could be tanned and used for certain other alt techniques. Technicolor made their own DT products. So did Color Corp of America. So did the US military. So did Agfa.
I should have used the words "immediately before dye transfer was discontinued there was little portrait use of dye transfer products". In the early 1990s there was one executive photographer in the northern mid-West named David (LeClair?) . Kodak's manufacturing of the products was a "house of cards". Each element interacted with every other element. When one element had a problem the whole imaging system had problems. We kept the product line alive as long as possible. I think most companies would have discontinued it five-ten years before. It was a small volume niche product-line that had many interacting elements. By the 1990's every element had a technical problem either systems issues, environmental issues, material availability etc.No Lachlan, you're completely off. Pan Matrix film was basically regular Matrix film with added sensitizer dye to make it pan sensitive. Yes, some carbon was added to, but for another reason. This kind of product needs a much deeper gelatin layer than Super-XX, though Super-XX could be tanned and used for certain other alt techniques. Technicolor made their own DT products. So did Color Corp of America. So did the US military. So did Agfa. Super-XX had an extremely long straight line, so was preferred for color separation negatives. Matrix films were just the opposite and had a terribly long toe, and that's why dye transfer had such a bad time reproducing highlights unless separate highlight masking was done. You're also completely wrong, Mr. Laser; dye transfer printing was the gold standard of color portrait work for several decades and very common with high-end studios. Some of them custom blended their own dyes, just like Technicolor did to match specific movie sets. There were very large labs which did the printing on an assembly-line basis. I met with the former owner of the largest of those labs a couple years ago to try to pry out some secrets. Ctein was kind enough to show me his DT prints of the British Royal Family trust, which demanded DT. The main problem nowadays is that everyone wants everything yesterday; and inkjet is far easier. DT gave much better hue control in my opinion, and dyes have a transparency and life which inks don't. The difference in blacks is stunning. But I certainly don't expect a big commercial revival or either DT still or movies. Even hazmat issues related to industrial quantities of tanning agents limit that possibility. During that era chromogenic 'C' papers didn't have very good permanence. Cibachrome came along and stole some of the thunder from DT, being even more permanent but rather difficult to tame for subtle portrait use (I did a number of portraits with it). Then Kodak became just plain undependable of a supplier. Digital printing gradually kept getting better, and the rest is history. But DT might be around for awhile longer among niche users, and could in fact easily be revived if someone had a sufficient budget for coating matrix film for general distribution. Efke did that about 15 yrs ago.
It was a craft product.
But I am very confident in what I said about the long-toe curve of matrix films.
But the 25/38a/61 filter set was intended for tricolor separation with micrography - microscopes and their routine light sources, and not regular camera work.
Kodak ortho matrix in condenser enlargers was often exposed using W35 filters. the 34A is a narrower 35. @lachlan, you mention two distinct filters: 38a, 34a. One was used in drop filter shutters.
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Strange to run across a dye transfer discussion, in view of the fact the materials for that process were discontinued by Kodak, and Kodak sold off all of its stock of dye transfer material to Ctein after they contacted him. Not like there is any of it on the open market, if Ctein bought it up from Kodak, just what was hoarded by the few dye transfer practitioners who existed in 1994! Even Ctein stopped making new dye transfer about 2014.
OK, I might have a couple details distorted. Nevertheless it is strange to have active discussion of what had become a dead process in 2014. A bit like discussing processes for Cibachrome printing.If by 'drop shutter' you mean the Harris shutter effect, yes that seems to have been the main use for the #38a outside of scientific work. The use of the #29/#34a was suggested for making Pan-Matrix sets with 1950s cold cathodes (likely somewhere in the 6000-10000K range from those I've encountered) - though there was a story I encountered of someone (Bob Pace?) who had apparently had an RGB additive cold cathode set of lamps (for sequential exposure I think, though I'd need to look up the reference) made.
That's rather off kilter from what seemed to have happened - from what I understand, Ctein bought up quite a bit of Pan-Matrix when it went off the market a few years before Dye Transfer materials ceased being made by Kodak - and from what Bob Shanebrook has stated on here, despite their best efforts to sell the last batch of dye transfer materials to various practitioners, Kodak still sent a lot of unsold stock for recycling. Nonetheless, there are public domain formulae for all the components in the system, new batches of matrix film and mordanted paper have been made in recent years - and none of the discreet components are particularly high-tech.
OK, I might have a couple details distorted. Nevertheless it is strange to have active discussion of what had become a dead process in 2014. A bit like discussing processes for Cibachrome printing.
Nevertheless it is strange to have active discussion of what had become a dead process in 2014.
Thx for explanation that alternative sources of materials have become available. I find it puzzling that the dye transfer afficianados like Ctein hung up their spurs and no longer offer new prints, other than what exist from old stock they had hoarded.kodak wasn't the first, the last, nor the best (said with a thank-you nod to those retirees of Off-yellow).
Two commercial attempts in this century failed for the same reason Kodak 'failed.' -- to many, dye transfer is a badge on their journey on the skill carousel . People buy the stuff; tinker a bit; get themselves so confused they attend workshops, or read more books, everything but make prints.
Dye transfers are being made on in-date emulsion; being made for current under 40yr olds as well as for the 76rs. There are two groups doing this. Most recent batch (that I've seen) of emulsion being in 2018.
Big labs kept it alive last century. Small labs with dedicated clients, or communes with dedicated members, are keeping it alive this century.
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