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Was reading a post on here made this month about a guy who was using his still good, almost as new Ansco box camera that was made out of a handsome high quality heavy CARD stock material.

If the companies in the "day" could make a cheap consumer item that despite flaws in optics, loading, feeding, film support, that have lasted over a century. Why couldnt they make electronic film cameras in the 1990 to 2000 era that are actually usable TODAY after a mere 20-30 years?
 

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I'm quite happy using my very reliable Mamiya 645 Pro and Canon Elan 7e and Olympus OM-4T.- all of which were made in quantity during that period and which there are significant numbers of which that still work well.
 

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I have a Nikon N8008s and a Leicaflex Standard. Both are quite old, and while the Nikon is fully electronic, the Leicaflex has a meter that is the only electronic part on the camera. Both work just like the day they were made. The Leica was made in 1964, and the Nikon in 1991.

Many of the NIKON FG camera are dead now, but the simpler EM's are still working reliably. One probably has to use higher end electronic cameras, they're built to pro, or pro-like standards.
 

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We have to hope that the battery-powered electronically timed shutters continue to have batteries made that fit the compartment.
 

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Why couldn't they make electronic film cameras in the 1990 to 2000 era that are actually usable TODAY after a mere 20-30 years?

What sort of camera are you referring to: the digital version of the point and shoot or the digital 35mm-like SLR? What do you find lacking: pixel count or reliability?
 
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Was reading a post on here made this month about a guy who was using his still good, almost as new Ansco box camera that was made out of a handsome high quality heavy CARD stock material.

If the companies in the "day" could make a cheap consumer item that despite flaws in optics, loading, feeding, film support, that have lasted over a century. Why couldnt they make electronic film cameras in the 1990 to 2000 era that are actually usable TODAY after a mere 20-30 years?

I think you put the finger on the problem - the key word being electronic. Mechanical parts of the camera should be even better now than the yesteryear's because of advancements in materials and precision manufacturing. However electronics are generally designed to last typically only a decade - main culprit there being environmental degradation. There is a limit to what can be done to extend the longevity without making it prohibitively expensive. Of course, in reality depending on the working conditions it can last much longer - like my Pentax ME Super with auto focus that I bought around 2001 still works perfectly (I haven't really taken it out too much though over the years since I went all digital.)

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If the companies in the "day" could make a cheap consumer item that despite flaws in optics, loading, feeding, film support, that have lasted over a century. Why couldnt they make electronic film cameras in the 1990 to 2000 era that are actually usable TODAY after a mere 20-30 years?

Sorry to cut it short and call it as BS. We have purchased EOS 300 in late nineties. It works flawlessly without any repairs. And it works with lenses made well after this camera was made. It gave us great family travel pictures, we are still using it and it is still superior camera to some shoebox with plastick lens.
 

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Why couldnt they make electronic film cameras in the 1990 to 2000 era that are actually usable TODAY after a mere 20-30 years?
Which cameras have failed you? Maybe I have been lucky, I have had very few electrical faults in cameras from that era. Though I'd call corroded electrical contacts and loose solder 'mechanical' faults.
 

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One can find good cameras and bad cameras from almost every era. Some old cameras like a Bessa Rangefinder will hold their own against today's cameras and some of today's cameras will not last. An old Kodak Master 8x10 is a great camera even by today's standards.

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At a certain point, there's a temptation to manufacture things deliberately designed to either wear out quickly, or fall out of fashion quickly. That's especially the case with consumer electronics, but starting becoming the norm with products as simple as screwdrivers about fifty years ago. I'm still using pliers my great-grandfather used his entire life; now the same brand won't last even a month. When it comes to camera, the less electronics the better, as far as I'm concerned. Since I sold a lot of non-photo related equipment over that whole time span, and even had an attached major service center, I've seen it all up front and close. Once highly reputable manufacturers one after another got pirated by cynical CEO's and marketing MBA's looking to pad their own bank accounts as fast as possible, with no regard whatsoever to the long-term impact on either consumers or the corporation itself. That was almost a Wall Street religion in the 90's, clear up till today. The industrial equivalent of slash and burn agriculture. This being an ethics thread, I think it's OK to state that.

And the fact is, it's a lot cheaper to build an electronic gadget than a high-quality mechanical one. But there's plenty of excellent older gear still on the market, as the crowds rush toward new toys instead. Digital is a blessing in that respect, because it makes traditional cameras and lenses cheaper to buy. But in all fairness, I do have to balance this out by giving an example of how making something too good isn't necessarily wise. There's a rural fire house near here that has had the same light bulb burning out front since before World War One. That manufacturer used such solid glass and filaments that nobody needed to replace the bulbs, and they soon went out of business.
 

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Why couldnt they make electronic film cameras in the 1990 to 2000 era that are actually usable TODAY after a mere 20-30 years?
Many are still perfectly usable they spent the past few decades in clean, dry, climate-controlled conditions. But if someone left the batteries inside, then tossed them into a box in the garage/attic/basement/storage unit 20 years ago, good luck.
 

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My VW van is 20 years old -- I am always amazed at 20 to 30 year old cars that have switches that still work and have engines that turn 3000 times in a minute all day.
I have an old Kodak camera with paper bellows -- whoa! What a mess they are!
 

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You could make a non-tarnishing gold alloy camera. But then someone would just rob your tomb and melt it down for sake of their own tomb. Some scholars have postulated that even King Tut's gold funerary mask was taken from Nefertiti and reshaped to fit him. Enjoy your toys while you have them working, and while they still find you operational too. Most of my gear will long outlast me.
 
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